From yohkomano@aol.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:19 PST 1995 Article: 3001 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3001 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: yohkomano@aol.com (YohkoMano) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Help With LW 3.5 SA Modeler Date: 27 Feb 1995 21:09:03 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 28 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3iu0jv$gvb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: yohkomano@aol.com (YohkoMano) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Hello, Everyone! I have a few questions that hopefully someone can help me out with. Number one, I have LightWave 3.5 Stand Alone and cannot seem to the Background Image feature to work in Modeler. I click the button, and it tells me that I have to first load an image into Layout. That would be nice, but since the SA edition of LightWave is not dependent on having a Toaster (which I don't), running Layout and Modeler at the same time on my system does not do the trick because one never seems to know that the other is running. Am I missing something? The manual doesn't say anything about this feature not being possible on the SA edition. Do I need more CHIP RAM (I only have 1MB)? Or am I simply out of luck? Next, when in Modeler and auto-recentering or auto-rescaling objects to fit into the windows, the program will hang. When I lower the program screen down to look at Workbench, I notice there is a shell window open that says its some kind of output window. If I close this window in Workbench, Modeler returns to normal operation and the objects center back correctly or scales correctly. Weird. Why is this happening? It gets annoying having to do this every time it happens, and it does happen often. Any help would be greatly appreciated. My system consists of the following: A2000 with a GVP 030/33MHz combo board, 1MB CHIP RAM, 12MB of FAST RAM, AmigaDOS 2.1, and LW 3.5 SA. Thanks! Ken Lau From stranahan@aol.com Wed Mar 1 22:34:20 PST 1995 Article: 3002 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3002 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Post Flyer Wish Lists HERE! Date: 27 Feb 1995 21:48:15 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3iu2tf$hl4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3itme0$ksh@News1.mcs.com> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com As far as I know, since I quit working at NewTek, nobody else who would make sense to tell this sort of thing to is checking into this newsgroup. So you might want to save your typing fingers....if I'm wrong and you work for NT and want to mention this stuff, chime in! _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan (This company name space available!) "You find one in every car. You'll see." From stranahan@aol.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:31 PST 1995 Article: 3003 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3003 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Interchange PC? Date: 27 Feb 1995 21:59:52 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3iu3j8$hsb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Quick question for Mr. Foust - when is Interchange for the Pc going to be ready and will it run on an Alpha? Inquiring minds, etc.... _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan (This company name space available!) "You find one in every car. You'll see." From bitlord@delphi.com Wed Mar 1 22:34:43 PST 1995 Article: 3004 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3004 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Alexis Delgado Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Gigamem & Lightwave Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 00:51:54 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com X-To: writes: >Any help is greatly appreciated. I'll be trying VMM shortly. Any Ideas on >this one? Haven't tried GigaMEM, But have tried VMM and it works with LIGHTWAVE and the MODELER. (but is a little quirky) I have become acustomed to saving my work very often. So much that I wrote a macro for it! Every 10 minutes all my work is autimatically saved. -When I do get crashes, it is usually when I am freein up the Z buffers, but that is it. From dnahelix@aol.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:37 PST 1995 Article: 3005 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3005 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dnahelix@aol.com (DNAHELIX) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Mixed Network Render Question Date: 28 Feb 1995 01:15:03 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3iuf17$lbi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: dnahelix@aol.com (DNAHELIX) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Is anyone using a mix of Mips and Alphas (sounds like a party snack) on the same ScreamerNet network? Any problems? Also, does anyone know how networking is supposed to work in 4.0? I have a couple of Mips machines (bought before everything went Alpha crazy) that I anticipate using with other platforms down the line. Clues? Johnny A.D. DNA Productions, Inc. From scratch@holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU Wed Mar 1 22:34:44 PST 1995 Article: 3006 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3006 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!purdue!yuma!holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU!not-for-mail From: scratch@holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (Adrian Corral) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Gigamem & Lightwave Date: 28 Feb 1995 00:15:41 -0700 Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3iuiit$3cvn@holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: holly.acns.colostate.edu I have Gigamem and do use it to render in LightWave. All I have to say is that I am pleased with it and at the speed I can get out of it by giving it its own little partition to work with.. I have never had it crash and so I do not need to save my work too often (but this is a good idea regardless). Well worth the 90 bucks in my opinion - I would not be able to do some of the rendering that I do without it as I cannot afford one of those evil 16 meg GVP simms.... -Adrian From tom@bus.olemiss.edu Wed Mar 1 22:35:26 PST 1995 Article: 3007 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3007 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu!tom From: tom@bus.olemiss.edu (Tom Coleman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: linux version of Lightwave Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 02:23:48 Organization: Univ of Mississippi Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I would like to network LW4.0 (on a P5 NT machine) to a lab full of about 60 PCs (486's running windows) over a Novell network. Have any Beta testers attempted this? Does anyone now what the slave renderers require? (Will be glad to test it out if not!) I assume eight megs of ram will suffice for the slave machines. Another question is whether the frames rendered on the slave machines will save to a common drive - or to a PAR drive? Lastly, given windows' instability is there a linux version in the wings? linux seems to be the most cost effective OS available. no? TC From tom@bus.olemiss.edu Wed Mar 1 22:35:28 PST 1995 Article: 3008 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3008 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu!tom From: tom@bus.olemiss.edu (Tom Coleman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: LW networking/novell question Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 02:33:50 Organization: Univ of Mississippi Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I'm wondering if it is possible to render across a Novell network using a P5 NT host machine networked to about 60 486s running windows? If so will it be possible to have the frames all save to a common drive (such as a PAR drive on the host P5)? thanks tc From ernie@gaspra.pd.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:42 PST 1995 Article: 3009 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3009 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!gaspra.pd.com!ernie From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Info On IEEE Format Needed Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 01:53:29 -0700 Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <3ip84v$cr0@news.cais.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ip84v$cr0@news.cais.com> Jeffrey Fitzgerald wrote: > I am working on a coupla LW utilities and would like any > information on the IEEE format used to create objects. I am particularly > interested in finding books, etc. Thanks... How deep do you want to go? I assume you mean the format of the floating point numbers used in the PNTS and SURF chunks of an LWOB. Strictly speaking, these are "IEEE 4-byte floats in Motorola byte order," but they aren't as exotic as that sounds. If you're writing a C program on the Amiga, you can read and write one of these real easily: float x; fread( &x, 4, 1, fp ); fwrite( &x, 4, 1, fp ); If you're doing this on the PC, you only need to reverse the order of the four bytes of x before writing it. More generally, the only vari- ation you'll ordinarily encounter is byte order. But if the source code needs to be highly portable, you can build an IEEE float by breaking the number into exponent, mantissa and sign (use the frexp() function) and then stuffing the correct bits into a 4-byte string. You can also read one into a 4-byte string, mask off the bitfields for the exponent, mantissa and sign and then combine these using ldexp(). In both directions, you'll have to adjust the exponent by 126 and account for the implied most-significant-bit of the mantissa. The format of an IEEE 4-byte float looks like this: 0 1 2 3 byte 76543210 76543210 76543210 76543210 bit seeeeeee emmmmmmm mmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm where s is the sign bit, the e's are exponent bits, and the m's are mantissa bits. If you want to know more, this format is part of IEEE standard 754 (1985) for floating-point representations. But I suspect I've already written way more than anybody wants to know. - Ernie From frank@nbre.nfe.be Wed Mar 1 22:33:59 PST 1995 Article: 3010 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3010 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!ub4b!hq.nfe.be!nbre!frank From: frank@nbre.nfe.be (Frank Aalbers) Message-ID: <2f51a3e1@nbre.nfe.be> Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave X-FTN-To: Neil Taneja Subject: Re: Small stars flicker Date: 27 Feb 95 04:05:21 CET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: NightBreed X-GateSoftware: AmiGate 1.2b (11.2.95) Lines: 21 Neil Taneja (neilt@netcom.com) wrote: NT> Has anyone tried animating 'small' single point polygons? NT> I have tried almost everything but they don't come out stable. NT> They flicker or wiggle and there doesn't seem to be a way to stop it. It all depends on what resolution you are working . A one-point polygon or particle will be as big as one pixel . So if your resolution is small then your particals will wiggle more with motion . The best way to get good particles is using Anti-aliasing . Specially if you are using particle blur . ________________________________________________________________ | | | | Frank Aalbers | -PIXION- computeranimations | | frank@nbre.nfe.be / 2:292/603.27 | FAX + VOICE 03/326-30-85 | | | Deurne Belgium | |__________________________________|_____________________________| From frank@nbre.nfe.be Wed Mar 1 22:34:03 PST 1995 Article: 3011 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3011 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!ub4b!hq.nfe.be!nbre!frank From: frank@nbre.nfe.be (Frank Aalbers) Message-ID: <2f51a4e2@nbre.nfe.be> Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: LIGHTROM just fantastic ! Date: 27 Feb 95 04:09:38 CET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: NightBreed X-GateSoftware: AmiGate 1.2b (11.2.95) Lines: 17 Yeah ! Just got my LIGHTROM CD . It's great ! . I was really surprised to find my object in it . Specially because it was originally an Imagine-object . :-) It's in the SHIPS directory and it's called OVIS . ________________________________________________________________ | | | | Frank Aalbers | -PIXION- computeranimations | | frank@nbre.nfe.be / 2:292/603.27 | FAX + VOICE 03/326-30-85 | | | Deurne Belgium | |__________________________________|_____________________________| From Wed Mar 1 22:35:44 PST 1995 Article: 3012 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3012 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!cs.dal.ca!usenet From: (Ken Mayfield)ad914@cfn.cs.dal.ca Subject: Re: Exporting clips on the Flyer Message-ID: Sender: usenet@cs.dal.ca (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: cfn.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:35:24 GMT Lines: 36 > [1]Reply to: Donald Cotnoir-Strong > [4] > >(Ken Mayfield)ad914@cfn.cs.dal.ca wrote: >> >> Y'know what I'd find handy in a flyer? The ability to export >> audio and video clips as Quicktime and OMFI standards. (Donald Ctnoir-Strong) D4JIB8.2Dy@cs.dal.ca wrote:> >Pretty much anyone doing computer work would find this handy. > >HOWEVER, the Flyer's focus is currently broadcast video, for which >such a conversion does little. I disagree strongly, Don. Firstly, someone using the Flyer or any non-linear system is already "doing computer work"; secondly and more importanty, the Flyer isn't going to supply all the tools Adobe Premiere, Freehand or Fractal Design Painter offer; not to mention CoSA Afteraffects, which we know is widely used in the non-linear broadcast arena (if one cannot afford a Harry...). Therefore, I think anybody doing creative work in broadcast or other fields will want to work creatively and use all these tools, rather than waste time finding creative workarounds. Lastly, quicktime and OMFI are "standards", so the specs for proting/exporting are already devised. Newtek would need to spend little R&D time on it compared to what they've already invested in the Flyer's specs, assuming that they have the resources, time, and desire to connect with the established non-linear community over the next year or so. -KM -- From davewarner@globalone.vircom.com Wed Mar 1 22:34:40 PST 1995 Article: 3013 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3013 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!unix.globalone.net!globalone!davewarner From: davewarner@globalone.vircom.com () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Animation and the FLYER!!! Date: 28 Feb 1995 14:33:16 GMT Organization: Global One, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3ivc7c$imr@unix.globalone.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.globalone.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joe Perez (joeperez@news.dorsai.org) wrote: : I know how you feel. With it conflicting with my PAR card, I had to yank : the PAR out, and not being able to use T-PAINT to import a single frame : from recorded video (T-Paint doesn't work yet on the A2000), I'm pretty : pissed at what I have to give up to have a flyer in my Amiga also. I don't understand how you can have this attitude...NewTek has been saying outright for months that the Flyer would NOT work correctly in an Amiga 2000 until the official production release starts shipping. Did you think they were just saying this for the hell of it? I'm rather surprised that you've gotten the Flyer to work in your machine at all! As far as I'm concerned, you have no-one to blame but yourself for any problems you're experiencing. -- -David Warner of Event Horizon Graphics Correct Internet Address:davidwarner@globalone.net From syndesis@beta.inc.net Wed Mar 1 22:35:32 PST 1995 Article: 3014 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3014 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Interchange PC? Date: 28 Feb 1995 14:38:03 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3ivcgb$ll7@beta.inc.net> References: <3iu3j8$hsb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kate.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3iu3j8$hsb@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) says: > >Quick question for Mr. Foust - when is Interchange for the Pc going to be >ready and will it run on an Alpha? > >Inquiring minds, etc.... Before LightWave ships. :-) It's in beta testing right now. It's a Win32s program, which means the Intel binary won't run on the Alpha until they improve their emulator, which I've always heard they were going to do someday. We did perform a test port to a DeskStation MIPS machine. It took only a few hours to tinker with the makefiles, and it worked the first try. Now that those changes have been made, I'm sure it would be easy to port to the Alpha. But we've never before had a single request from a user to go to the Alpha before. For that matter, I don't think we had any serious inquiries about whether we'd run on the MIPS, aside from the good people at DeskStation. :-) From syndesis@beta.inc.net Wed Mar 1 22:34:05 PST 1995 Article: 3015 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3015 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LIGHTROM just fantastic ! Date: 28 Feb 1995 15:08:16 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3ive90$ll7@beta.inc.net> References: <2f51a4e2@nbre.nfe.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: kate.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <2f51a4e2@nbre.nfe.be>, frank@nbre.nfe.be (Frank Aalbers) says: > >Yeah ! Just got my LIGHTROM CD . It's great ! . > >I was really surprised to find my object in it . Specially because it was >originally an Imagine-object . :-) > >It's in the SHIPS directory and it's called OVIS . Frank or anyone else interested in LightWave CDROMs, if you'd like to get a free copy of the next Syndesis 3D-ROM, just send me your postal address in private e-mail, and I'll send you a "submission form". If you send us one or more models and we use your model on the next edition of the disc, you get a free copy of that disc. From kurgan@wagner.imada.ou.dk Wed Mar 1 22:35:45 PST 1995 Article: 3016 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3016 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!sunic!news.uni-c.dk!imada!news From: kurgan@wagner.imada.ou.dk (Soeren Birk Jacobsen) Subject: LW4.0 Message-ID: <1995Feb28.163021.4275@imada.ou.dk> Keywords: update price Sender: news@imada.ou.dk (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: rubens Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 16:30:21 GMT Lines: 13 I'm going to buy LW next week (3.5 I suppose), what will the upgrade price to 4.0 be? BTW has anybody seen a prg. named MAXON CIMEMA 4D, what I've seen really looks stunning, and a German magazine has just rated it the best raytracer. >From what I've read it has inverse kinematics and all that shit, but the user interface have been rehauled so it 'SHOULD' be useable, not like other 3D sw. that has all the spec but has such a jerky interface that you give up before you get a poly (or NURB) on the screen. It's better to burn .. than to fade away... From shf@netcom.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:21 PST 1995 Article: 3017 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3017 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!shf From: shf@netcom.com (Stuart Ferguson) Subject: Re: Help With LW 3.5 SA Modeler Message-ID: Organization: The Blue Planet References: <3iu0jv$gvb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:28:06 GMT Lines: 26 Sender: shf@netcom6.netcom.com +-- yohkomano@aol.com (YohkoMano) writes: | Number one, I have LightWave 3.5 Stand Alone and cannot seem to the | Background Image feature to work in Modeler. I click the button, and it | tells me that I have to first load an image into Layout. That would be | nice, but since the SA edition of LightWave is not dependent on having a | Toaster (which I don't), running Layout and Modeler at the same time on my | system does not do the trick because one never seems to know that the | other is running. Am I missing something? The manual doesn't say You must run Modeler from LightWave for them to connect. From the Layout screen, hit the Modeler button. | Next, when in Modeler and auto-recentering or auto-rescaling objects to | fit into the windows, the program will hang. When I lower the program | screen down to look at Workbench, I notice there is a shell window open | that says its some kind of output window. If I close this window in | Workbench, Modeler returns to normal operation and the objects center back | correctly or scales correctly. Weird. Why is this happening? It gets Do the following from a CLI: "version Modeler.FP full" and tell me what it says. I can only think of one reason why it might do this and the results of this test will confirm that. -- Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) "How do you compute that? Where on the graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" From shf@netcom.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:39 PST 1995 Article: 3018 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3018 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!shf From: shf@netcom.com (Stuart Ferguson) Subject: Re: Mixed Network Render Question Message-ID: Organization: The Blue Planet References: <3iuf17$lbi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:29:45 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: shf@netcom6.netcom.com +-- dnahelix@aol.com (DNAHELIX) writes: | Is anyone using a mix of Mips and Alphas (sounds like a party snack) on | the same ScreamerNet network? Any problems? Also, does anyone know how Yes - no problems. -- Stuart Ferguson (shf@netcom.com) "How do you compute that? Where on the graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?" From all Wed Mar 1 22:33:43 PST 1995 Article: 3019 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3019 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!csulb.edu!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!usenet From: bhoffman@valverde.edu (Brian Hoffman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 28 Feb 1995 20:25:50 GMT Organization: University of California, Riverside Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> Reply-To: all NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.233.11.70 In article <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> writes: > > Thus far, the only answer I have gotten is from Larry Bragg of > their marketing division and his answer was that its street price > would be less than the student discount price of 3D Studio 4.0, so > that they would probably not be offering any further discounts. > > --- I think this argument ignores basic human nature. A student/faculty member looks at his choices and says: "I can get this $3000 program for $700 (3DS, educational price), or I can get this $1000 program for $650 (Lightwave, possible street price)." Which one appears to be the bargain? And which one do you think he'll get? (Assuming he can't get both.) The street price of Lightwave would have to be substantially less than the $700 educational price of 3DS to win over the typical educational buyer, who may base their decision largely on perceived savings off list price, and reputation of the product. (And let's face it: 3DS has the reputation of being the best/most powerful/most popular 3D animation package on the PC.) Autodesk understands the value of making significant inroads into the educational community. Newtek should make similar efforts. -Brian Hoffman (Physics Teacher/Lightwave User) Internet Address: bhoffman@valverde.edu From camcollect@aol.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:40 PST 1995 Article: 3020 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3020 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: camcollect@aol.com (CamCollect) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Mixed Network Render Question Date: 28 Feb 1995 17:14:40 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 17 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3j078g$sn3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: camcollect@aol.com (CamCollect) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Yes we are using both a DEC Alpha and a MIPS (ShaBlamm) system on the same Screamernet network with no problems. The only minor annoyance is the lack of documentation on Screamernet, and a few small bugs, but all works ok. Greg Milneck, Jr. The Video Company Baton Rouge, LA, USA camcollect@aol.com From gmcclean@nynexmc.co.uk Wed Mar 1 22:35:57 PST 1995 Article: 3021 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3021 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!bt!btnet!uknet!gold.nynexmc.co.uk!viper From: gmcclean@nynexmc.co.uk (Gareth McClean) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Looking for the FAQ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 95 03:00:18 GMT Organization: NYNEX Media Comunications Ltd Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j0amd$5ea@gold.nynexmc.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: viper.nynexmc.co.uk X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #1 Does this group have a FAQ, if so how often is it posted? Gareth.... Still looking for 3D 'object' sites! From dave@melmac.umd.edu Wed Mar 1 22:33:40 PST 1995 Article: 3022 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3022 comp.graphics.animation:16659 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!melmac!dave From: dave@melmac.umd.edu (Dave) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation Subject: Re: Lightwave Babylon 5 objects Date: 28 Feb 1995 23:15:33 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3j0aql$gko@umd5.umd.edu> References: <3i2vik$b8m@deneb.cs.purdue.edu> <3ioaic$2kk@gateway.ecn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: melmac.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joel Caesar (jcaesar@gateway.ecn.com) wrote: : Bill Bouma (bouma@cs.purdue.edu) wrote: : : I obtained these files which contain input files for Lightwave: : : b5delta.lha b5statn2.lha vorlon2.lzh vorship2.lzh : : I would like to get at the ship models here. There are two problems. : : 1. I cannot extract the files from the lha or lzh packing on a UNIX : : system. There is a program xlharc that is supposed to do the unpacking, : : but it doesn't work on these files. I have used xlharc to unpack lzh : : files in the past, but these are somehow different? Maybe someone can : : supply me these files in tar.zip or tar.Z or just plain tar format? : : 2. I don't know the format of the data files containing the ships. Is : : there a online writeup describing the LW input format? (I might not : : be asking if I had been able to extract the files and take a look : : at them.) : : -- : : Bill -- The worm gets the late bird. : These are lha archives, and as far as I know, you should be able to : decompress them. On an Amiga it's easy with a program like Lha. As for : the object format, I believe they are in Imagine TDDD format. To get them : into Lightwave you will need a program such as Pixel-3d 2.0 or higher. : (Earlier versions will only load a single part in a group, or a single : group, not the entire object). These objects are in Lightwave 3D format on the tomahawk site. There are lha extractors for UNIX but I don't remember where to get them. You might try asking Dave Gilinsky dave@gaspra.pd.com for more info. From dave@melmac.umd.edu Wed Mar 1 22:35:22 PST 1995 Article: 3023 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3023 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!melmac!dave From: dave@melmac.umd.edu (Dave) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Help With LW 3.5 SA Modeler Date: 28 Feb 1995 23:23:56 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3j0bac$gko@umd5.umd.edu> References: <3iu0jv$gvb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: melmac.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] YohkoMano (yohkomano@aol.com) wrote: : Hello, Everyone! : I have a few questions that hopefully someone can help me out with. : Number one, I have LightWave 3.5 Stand Alone and cannot seem to the : Background Image feature to work in Modeler. I click the button, and it : tells me that I have to first load an image into Layout. That would be : nice, but since the SA edition of LightWave is not dependent on having a : Toaster (which I don't), running Layout and Modeler at the same time on my : system does not do the trick because one never seems to know that the : other is running. Am I missing something? The manual doesn't say : anything about this feature not being possible on the SA edition. Do I : need more CHIP RAM (I only have 1MB)? Or am I simply out of luck? : Next, when in Modeler and auto-recentering or auto-rescaling objects to : fit into the windows, the program will hang. When I lower the program : screen down to look at Workbench, I notice there is a shell window open : that says its some kind of output window. If I close this window in : Workbench, Modeler returns to normal operation and the objects center back : correctly or scales correctly. Weird. Why is this happening? It gets : annoying having to do this every time it happens, and it does happen : often. : Any help would be greatly appreciated. My system consists of the : following: A2000 with a GVP 030/33MHz combo board, 1MB CHIP RAM, 12MB of : FAST RAM, AmigaDOS 2.1, and LW 3.5 SA. Thanks! : Ken Lau If your LW 3.5 installation is correct you should be able to run Modeler from Layout by hitting the modeler button in the upper right corner. You can return to Layout using the Layout button which is in the upper right of the Modeler screen. Therefore, you can load a picture into Layout then go to Modeler, using the above method, and it will work, I just tried it. Dave Paige dave@melmac.umd.edu From dave@melmac.umd.edu Wed Mar 1 22:35:34 PST 1995 Article: 3024 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3024 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!melmac!dave From: dave@melmac.umd.edu (Dave) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Interchange PC? Date: 28 Feb 1995 23:27:10 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3j0bge$gko@umd5.umd.edu> References: <3iu3j8$hsb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3ivcgb$ll7@beta.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: melmac.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] John Foust (syndesis@beta.inc.net) wrote: : In article <3iu3j8$hsb@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) says: : > : >Quick question for Mr. Foust - when is Interchange for the Pc going to be : >ready and will it run on an Alpha? : > : >Inquiring minds, etc.... : Before LightWave ships. :-) It's in beta testing right now. : It's a Win32s program, which means the Intel binary won't : run on the Alpha until they improve their emulator, which I've : always heard they were going to do someday. : We did perform a test port to a DeskStation MIPS machine. : It took only a few hours to tinker with the makefiles, and : it worked the first try. : Now that those changes have been made, I'm sure it would : be easy to port to the Alpha. But we've never before had a : single request from a user to go to the Alpha before. : For that matter, I don't think we had any serious inquiries : about whether we'd run on the MIPS, aside from the good : people at DeskStation. :-) Consider this a request to port to the Alpha. I'm running an Aspen Systems machine and would like as many of my commonly used tools as possible ported to the Alpha. BTW I used to beta-test for you but have'nt heard anything from you in a long time. Hope to talk to you soon. Dave Paige dave@melmac.umd.edu From rudd@ug1.plk.af.mil Wed Mar 1 22:35:00 PST 1995 Article: 3025 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3025 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csulb.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!lynx.unm.edu!fg1.plk.af.mil!ug1.plk.af.mil!not-for-mail From: rudd@ug1.plk.af.mil (Douglas Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW in SGI or LW in DEC-Alpha? Date: 28 Feb 1995 14:08:28 -0700 Organization: Air Force Phillips Lab. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3j03cc$mmn@ug1.plk.af.mil> References: <3itc57$icq@mailer.fsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ug1.plk.af.mil jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) writes: >We don't have a beta version of LW running on the SGI yet, (just Modeler) >but I think I can safely say that LW on the Alpha will beat out the Indy >and most likely the Indigo2. It is FAST! >As far as the difference..... None. >JG Would you need a differnt version of LW-NT to run on the Alpha and the Mips, or is it an Intel-NT program that runs under Intel emulation on either box? Doug Rudd --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Death by DOS, after a long lingering illness under Windooozzzzzz........... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From c404266@mizzou1.missouri.edu Wed Mar 1 22:34:35 PST 1995 Article: 3026 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3026 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.missouri.edu!news From: instrument@reactor.murr.missouri.edu (John Ferrel) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: TIO won't import DXF Date: 1 Mar 1995 00:01:02 GMT Organization: Missouri University Research Reactor Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3j0dfu$f5i@news.missouri.edu> References: <3ijb6u$dsu@news.missouri.edu> <3irdnc$jlm@beta.inc.net> <3isn4o$e2@beta.inc.net> Reply-To: c404266@mizzou1.missouri.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.206.120.84 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ >>Don't forget that DXF ...fundamentally 2D. It's a 3D exchange ... >... DXF is someone who thinks that a 2D, wireframe, >blueprint-like DXF file is a "3D" model. Usually, it starts >with the client who is convinced that the data is true polygonal >3D. ... they blame the translator. Why is it that I can export a DXF file from CadKey and import it as a 3-D object into AutoCad with very little problem? Some of the entities get lost in the translation, but 90%+ is intact as 3-D!! Some of the entities also make it thru the translation into Lightwave. From Jcjones@cris.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:09 PST 1995 Article: 3027 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3027 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!usenet-admin From: "Jeffrey C. Jones" Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Trouble on the FONT-ier Date: 28 Feb 1995 23:43:22 GMT Organization: Concentric Research Corporation Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3j0ceq$6cv@warp.cris.com> References: <3iteoi$c23@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crc3.cris.com gandorf247@aol.com (GandorF247) wrote: - Does anyone know if I can take a - Mac font and load it into my A4000 or if there is a program that will - trace the logo and convert it into a modeler file. I own Pixel Pro and it - just does not do the job. Help Pixel Pro 2 does this very well. Just make shure that the logo is a generic EPS file. Not Freehand 5.0 or some other special EPS file. Make sure you ask the client to convert the text to graphics. If you don't the postscript text in the EPS will not render out. Use Apple File Exchange to write the EPS to an IBM formated floppie and bring it in to the Amiga. You can also convert the EPS graphic to a PS font using a few different programs on the Mac. (sorry but I can't remember the name) and import the PS file and load that into modeller. Many times you need to convert the font with typesmith, this is only true, in most cases if you want to bring the logo into CG. Hope this helps. Jeff Jones Jcjones@cris.com From Jcjones@cris.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:11 PST 1995 Article: 3028 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3028 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!usenet-admin From: "Jeffrey C. Jones" Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Trouble on the FONT-ier Date: 28 Feb 1995 23:43:35 GMT Organization: Concentric Research Corporation Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3j0cf7$6en@warp.cris.com> References: <3iteoi$c23@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crc3.cris.com gandorf247@aol.com (GandorF247) wrote: - Does anyone know if I can take a - Mac font and load it into my A4000 or if there is a program that will - trace the logo and convert it into a modeler file. I own Pixel Pro and it - just does not do the job. Help Pixel Pro 2 does this very well. Just make shure that the logo is a generic EPS file. Not Freehand 5.0 or some other special EPS file. Make sure you ask the client to convert the text to graphics. If you don't the postscript text in the EPS will not render out. Use Apple File Exchange to write the EPS to an IBM formated floppie and bring it in to the Amiga. You can also convert the EPS graphic to a PS font using a few different programs on the Mac. (sorry but I can't remember the name) and import the PS file and load that into modeller. Many times you need to convert the font with typesmith, this is only true, in most cases if you want to bring the logo into CG. Hope this helps. Jeff Jones Jcjones@cris.com From ser2511@tam2000.tamu.edu Wed Mar 1 22:35:53 PST 1995 Article: 3029 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3029 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!tam2000!ser2511 From: ser2511@tam2000.tamu.edu (Sergio Eduardo Rosas) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: CLI on LAYOUT? Date: 1 Mar 1995 02:19:17 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, Tx Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3j0lj5$2gf@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tam2000.tamu.edu I want to open an amiga shell on top of Layout. Anyone know how to do this? Thank you, Sergio From ladic@cs.ubc.ca Wed Mar 1 22:35:50 PST 1995 Article: 3030 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3030 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cs.ubc.ca!ladic.home.cs.ubc.ca!ladic From: ladic@cs.ubc.ca (Lance Ladic) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Lightwave 4.0 on a PowerMac running NT?!? Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:58:42 PST Organization: University of British Columbia, Canada Lines: 28 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ladic.home.cs.ubc.ca X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Hi all, I wonder if anyone can confirm/deny/speculate about this. I just received some e-mail from Microsoft's Developers' Mailing List where, buried amongst some other extraneous info., it was mentioned that Windows NT is now (soon to be) available for PowerMacs. Unless I have totally missed what has been going on in this group, I understand that Lightwave 4.0 will run under Win/NT. It would therefore follow that Lightwave 4.0 may/will run on a PowerMac. Since I (like many others) am currently in the market for new hardware (platform, PAR, software -- the whole shebang) -- any info. about this would be greatly appreciated. I am aware that DEC Alpha systems running NT have been mentioned, but while these speed demons may be suitable for 'rendering farms', I'm currently slanted more towards the Mac/PC platforms, as I feel that they are more 'multi-purpose' and have more industry support (no flames from DEC users, distributors on this group please!) Up 'til now, I've been I've had my sights on high end Pentium systems (P-90's/100's), but the release of Win/NT for the PowerMac and Lightwave 4.0 compatibility with this setup may persuade me to change my mind... --Lance. ladic@cs.ubc.ca From GregTee@ix.netcom.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:56 PST 1995 Article: 3031 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3031 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: GregTee@ix.netcom.com (William Teegarden) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Quick seaQuestion... Date: 1 Mar 1995 02:47:24 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j0n7s$ed1@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3ieqnv$iu0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-la10-02.ix.netcom.com In <3ieqnv$iu0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> moonsun@aol.com (MoonSun) writes: > >>>No, the ship was just its normal self. The cocoon around the ship had a >glow on it (LW 4.0 feature), and the ship had a light casting a shadow of >it onto the sea floor. > >JGross >Amblin Imaging > >Hooray! Glows in 4.0! Ok, how about turning fog off on selected objects? >By the way, what is meant by "basic" Inverse Kinematics as it is mentioned >in several articles? That "basic" doesn't sound too promising (of course >I'll take "basic" over "none"). > >Johnny AD >DNA Productions > ---> how about turning fog off on selected objects?<--- Already done. GT From GregTee@ix.netcom.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:05 PST 1995 Article: 3032 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3032 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: GregTee@ix.netcom.com (William Teegarden) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW in SGI or LW in DEC-Alpha? Date: 1 Mar 1995 02:53:18 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j0niu$ege@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3itc57$icq@mailer.fsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-la10-02.ix.netcom.com In <3itc57$icq@mailer.fsu.edu> ebf1791@gold.acns.fsu.edu writes: > >My question is simple, > >Does anyone know yet wich platform will run LW faster. SGI (Indy or >Indigo2) or DEC-Alpha (275 Mhz)? > >Also what are the differences between the two versions? > >Edgar Febres >Produccion Assistant >Multimedia Labs >Florida State University > At the risk of having John Gross beat me to the punch here, the Alpha version is by far the fastest one yet. The Pentium version holds up quite well also- about half as fast! As far as features go, they're all identical. GT From dave@melmac.umd.edu Wed Mar 1 22:33:44 PST 1995 Article: 3033 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3033 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!melmac!dave From: dave@melmac.umd.edu (Dave) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 1 Mar 1995 04:26:17 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu> References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: melmac.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Brian Hoffman (bhoffman@valverde.edu) wrote: : In article <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> writes: : > : > Thus far, the only answer I have gotten is from Larry Bragg of : > their marketing division and his answer was that its street price : > would be less than the student discount price of 3D Studio 4.0, so : > that they would probably not be offering any further discounts. : > : > --- : I think this argument ignores basic human nature. A student/faculty : member looks at his choices and says: "I can get this $3000 program : for $700 (3DS, educational price), or I can get this $1000 program : for $650 (Lightwave, possible street price)." : Which one appears to be the bargain? And which one do you think he'll : get? (Assuming he can't get both.) The street price of Lightwave : would have to be substantially less than the $700 educational price : of 3DS to win over the typical educational buyer, who may base their : decision largely on perceived savings off list price, and reputation : of the product. (And let's face it: 3DS has the reputation of being : the best/most powerful/most popular 3D animation package on the PC.) : Autodesk understands the value of making significant inroads into the : educational community. Newtek should make similar efforts. : -Brian Hoffman (Physics Teacher/Lightwave User) : Internet Address: bhoffman@valverde.edu One would assume he'll get the program he or she determines to be the best program for the job. Dave Paige dave@melmac.umd.edu From fxvet@aol.com Wed Mar 1 22:34:01 PST 1995 Article: 3034 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3034 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: fxvet@aol.com (FXVET) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Small stars flicker Date: 1 Mar 1995 00:05:20 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 3 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3j0vag$6i2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <2f51a3e1@nbre.nfe.be> Reply-To: fxvet@aol.com (FXVET) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com try using object dissolve on the stars to lower their contrast against the black of space. that should help Tony Hudson From edreams@pd.org Wed Mar 1 22:34:51 PST 1995 Article: 3035 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3035 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!edreams From: edreams@pd.org (Scott Bragg) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: INK Date: 1 Mar 1995 05:18:52 GMT Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3j103s$mpt@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> References: <3ip5tg$hpu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: noel.pd.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] THX1138871 (thx1138871@aol.com) wrote: : I need to animate a pen writing and leaving an ink trail behind it. Any : suggestions? Try playing with an animated clip map or an animated map for the writing. YOu can creat the text in Brilliance or D-Paint and then un-write it from the last frame to the first. then just apply the sequence to your surface. Takes some work to get just right, but works great. -- Scott Bragg Domain: edreams@pd.org UUCP: ...!emory!pd.org!edreams From edreams@pd.org Wed Mar 1 22:36:00 PST 1995 Article: 3036 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3036 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!edreams From: edreams@pd.org (Scott Bragg) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Problems with IFF's Date: 1 Mar 1995 05:39:53 GMT Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3j11b9$mpt@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: noel.pd.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] This isn't a lightwave specific problem, but since I'm cranking out 500-600 frames a week right now, It shows up in lightwave. My hard drive seems to be eating my IFF frames either written from lightwave or AD-Pro. I get bad body chunks, bad pallettes, and just plain truncated files. Could this be a problem with Lightwave or my system? I'm running an Amiga 3000 with Commodore's 3640 25mhz 040 card, 14MB ram, and external (for portability) 500meg SCSI-II Conner HD, a Picasso 2 graphics board, and a newly aquired PAR with a 1gig HD (internal, sitting where the normal system drive would be.) The problem crops up when I write a file, copy a file or move a file. Either from directoy to directory or from one partition to another. I do not seem to be losing frames when I render straight to the PAR (thank you DPS!!!), only to the HD. This is fine, but makes compositing and post processing very slow. Does anyone have any ideas? I hvae scanned for viruses with several different programs, backed everything up to another HD and re-formated (lowlevel, ect...) but the problem is getting worse. And the problem onlyseems to be effecting IFF's. I hvae moved several other files and programs around of all sizes and they all are fine. And JPGs, Tifs and Gifs don't get mangled. Just IFF's?? Have I hit upon a wierd virus from a 3D sTudio fan or something ? :-) Thanks. -- Scott Bragg Domain: edreams@pd.org UUCP: ...!emory!pd.org!edreams From GREMS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Wed Mar 1 22:35:58 PST 1995 Article: 3037 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3037 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!ukma!news.cuny.edu!grems From: Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Looking for Visa Logo, etc Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:23:09 EST Organization: City University of New York/University Computer Center Lines: 11 Message-ID: <95060.002309GREMS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> References: <1995Feb22.185312.28396@schbbs.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post You could do a Visa object if you want. Just take your video camera and macro lens/photo stand setup, tape an image of the card. capture a frame with the toaster. Reduce the image to a two color image useing Adpro, or Image FX. Clean up the black boarders on the image with Dpaint, or other paint program. then use Pixel 3d pro to create an extruded object in Light wave format. Take that into Lightwave modeler, and clean up the object as desired. Thne take you original captured image and process that with Adpro, and use it as your image map. You have a very nice pro look visa object (I woul recomend changing the numbers on the card if it belongs to you, or at least use the bosses card;>. From bardet@cli52ab.der.edf.fr Wed Mar 1 22:33:34 PST 1995 Article: 3038 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3038 comp.graphics.animation:16671 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news2.EUnet.fr!edf3.edf.fr!cli52ae!bardet From: bardet@edf.fr ( Philippe Bardet Cohen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation Subject: Re: Lightwave Babylon 5 objects Date: 28 Feb 1995 08:36:02 GMT Organization: Electricite De France Clamart Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3iun9i$iq0@edf3.der.edf.fr> References: <3ioaic$2kk@gateway.ecn.com> Reply-To: bardet@cli52ab.der.edf.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: cli52ae.der.edf.fr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Joel Caesar (jcaesar@gateway.ecn.com) wrote: : Bill Bouma (bouma@cs.purdue.edu) wrote: : : : I obtained these files which contain input files for Lightwave: : : : b5delta.lha b5statn2.lha vorlon2.lzh vorship2.lzh : : : I would like to get at the ship models here. There are two problems. : : 1. I cannot extract the files from the lha or lzh packing on a UNIX : : system. There is a program xlharc that is supposed to do the unpacking, : : but it doesn't work on these files. I have used xlharc to unpack lzh : : files in the past, but these are somehow different? Maybe someone can : : supply me these files in tar.zip or tar.Z or just plain tar format? : : : 2. I don't know the format of the data files containing the ships. Is : : there a online writeup describing the LW input format? (I might not : : be asking if I had been able to extract the files and take a look : : at them.) : : -- : : Bill -- The worm gets the late bird. : : These are lha archives, and as far as I know, you should be able to : decompress them. On an Amiga it's easy with a program like Lha. As for : the object format, I believe they are in Imagine TDDD format. To get them ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wrong. The b5delta is in lightwave format. I've read it without problem in lightwave. I didn't convert anything. You just have to put the whole archive in your objects directory and it works. : into Lightwave you will need a program such as Pixel-3d 2.0 or higher. : (Earlier versions will only load a single part in a group, or a single : group, not the entire object). Phil. -- _________________________________ | Philippe Bardet /// F ormation | | A4040/14Mo/635Mo /// d' I ngenieurs | | /// en I nformatique | | Amiga Revue \\\/// de la F aculte | | Pleasance vs CEI... I wonder... \XX/ d' O rsay | | E-mail: bardet@cli52ab.der.edf.fr_(please note the new address)__| From videoman@netcom.com Wed Mar 1 22:36:02 PST 1995 Article: 3039 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3039 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!videoman From: videoman@netcom.com Subject: Re: Problems with IFF's Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3j11b9$mpt@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:45:29 GMT Lines: 37 Sender: videoman@netcom10.netcom.com edreams@pd.org (Scott Bragg) writes: >And the problem onlyseems to be effecting IFF's. I hvae moved several >other files and programs around of all sizes and they all are fine. And >JPGs, Tifs and Gifs don't get mangled. Just IFF's?? How Strange! :) I have had my HD "forget" stuff, was a sign the drive was on it's last legs. I does not make any sence that it is just IFF files, do you save all your IFF's from the same program? Do Bril,lightwave,ADP IFF's all do this? do they do it from say diskmaster? is the byte size changed after they are copied? Is it always the same HD or partition that "trashes" the IFF's or do all the HD's do it? those questions might lead you to a problem. if not here are two more possiblitys: 1. (this happend to me, and was a cause for all files to be strange) Look at how your SCSI ribbon cable is going to your HD, mine was going over and past some of the hotter parts, and over the power, going over the power seemed to wig it out.. so mess with your SCSI cable. 2. See if it does this after it has been off for a day... you have a TON of stuff and I'll bet you have a OVEN in there. Hope this helps, if you find out more feel free to E-mail.... It's so wonderful to know a computer so well.... only to have it stop being made :) So much for Amiga consulting ;) send mail to: videoman@netcom.com -- -== When Dreams Become Reality ==- -= IM Design=- videoman@netcom.com Video Production videoman@cyberspace.org 3D Graphics & DTP From spnigel@ix.netcom.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:53 PST 1995 Article: 3040 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3040 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: spnigel@ix.netcom.com (Scott Nigel) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 on a PowerMac running NT?!? Date: 1 Mar 1995 08:18:05 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j1ajt$8au@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wh1-12.ix.netcom.com In ladic@cs.ubc.ca (Lance Ladic) writes: >Up 'til now, I've been I've had my sights on high end Pentium systems >(P-90's/100's), but the release of Win/NT for the PowerMac and Lightwave 4.0 >compatibility with this setup may persuade me to change my mind... > >--Lance. >ladic@cs.ubc.ca > > Hi Lance, Microsoft and Apple are in the arena right now sluggin' it out. I would not want some "undocumented" call to prevent me from runnin NT/LW3D on PowerMac efficiently. NT is definitely the way to go. Its even been written that you can run multiple instances of LW unlike 3D Studio(Autodesk, please correct if i'm mistaken). Friends who run 3DS say they cant anyway. As it stands, the PC market has its millenia every two years. This has forced me to look beyond the CISC/RISC of the P90's. Hopefully the dramatic increased render speed can bring in that much more work. I'm banking that it will. Best of Luck... Scott P. Nigel From michael@iglou.iglou.com Wed Mar 1 22:36:03 PST 1995 Article: 3041 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3041 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!iglou!michael From: michael@iglou.iglou.com (Michael Meshew) Subject: Maxon Cinema Message-ID: Keywords: Maxon Cinema Sender: news@iglou.com (USENET News Administrator) Organization: IgLou Internet Services Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 08:48:07 GMT Lines: 1 From leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com Wed Mar 1 22:36:04 PST 1995 Article: 3042 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3042 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!marbls.enet.dec.com!leimberger From: leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Why 32bit OS for LW4 on PC Date: 1 Mar 1995 12:40:48 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j1q0g$gpd@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> References: <3ijtrm$27v@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <3ipco5$4eh@news.xmission.com> Reply-To: leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com () NNTP-Posting-Host: marbls.enet.dec.com |>Sven Williger (williger@cs.tu-berlin.de) wrote: |> |>: |>: Oh yes i think i will regret selling my A4000 a hundred times... :( David Ingebretsen replied |> |>probably many more times than "a hundred"... |> I thought about selling mine. It has had the motherboard replaced through SGM so it has the socketed buster chip. Aside from that adventure it has served me flawlessly. The Amiga is dead ! CBM is dead ! developers are dying ! So why do I keep it ? I'm alive ! Worse yet I have an 40mhz 030 2000 that will run all my Amiga software. Even though it will run it a little slower I'd still have the ability. AND I STILL CAN'T BRING MYSELF TO SELL OR TRADE MY 4000. What are others that sold their 4000's feelings on this ? From syndesis@beta.inc.net Wed Mar 1 22:33:50 PST 1995 Article: 3043 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3043 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 1 Mar 1995 14:33:16 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3j20jc$44u@beta.inc.net> References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: t12.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu>, dave@melmac.umd.edu (Dave) says: > >Brian Hoffman (bhoffman@valverde.edu) wrote: >: I think this argument ignores basic human nature. A student/faculty >: member looks at his choices and says: "I can get this $3000 program >: for $700 (3DS, educational price), or I can get this $1000 program >: for $650 (Lightwave, possible street price)." Who pays retail? In my experience, there are plenty of people who shop around endlessly, calling every avenue and mail order shop in sight, and then they'll spend $15 to get it shipped overnight from the most distant shop, because they had it for $2 less than the other guy. "Retail price" has become a meaningless concept in the software market. Software buyers walk away from full-retail-price software, they expect a discount, sometimes a significant discount. Some companies including Microsoft have eliminated the concept altogether... they just trumpet the "estimated street price," which reflects their decisions about how much of a discount to give dealers and distributors. In this day and age, dealers and distributors are so blinded by margin and deep discounts, they don't understand the simplest efforts to re-position a product. For example, for the first year of selling the Syndesis 3D-ROMs, I kept the discount small: no one, no dealer or distributor, got better than a 20% discount from retail. I did this to keep the "street" price closer to the retail price. Yet they wouldn't pick up the product because they weren't getting 40 or 60 percent off. I'd ask them, but what's your standard mark-up, and they'd answer seven percent or fifteen percent. They couldn't understand that they could *still* add that mark-up and make even more money per-sale. >: Which one appears to be the bargain? And which one do you think he'll >: get? (Assuming he can't get both.) The street price of Lightwave >: would have to be substantially less than the $700 educational price >: of 3DS to win over the typical educational buyer, who may base their >: decision largely on perceived savings off list price, and reputation >: of the product. (And let's face it: 3DS has the reputation of being >: the best/most powerful/most popular 3D animation package on the PC.) > >One would assume he'll get the program he or she determines to be the >best program for the job. Or maybe they'll buy an Amiga because of its technical superiority. :-) From Theo.Savidis@lpul.slu.se Wed Mar 1 22:35:47 PST 1995 Article: 3044 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3044 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!columba.udac.uu.se!populus.slu.se!jeathome.lpul.slu.se!Theo.Savidis From: Theo.Savidis@lpul.slu.se (Theo Savidis) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: If Amiga dies forever.. Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:22:28 GMT Organization: Lost Souls Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3h8ue8$5vj@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jeathome.lpul.slu.se X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] Whaddyamean IF? It's already dead *Disclaimer:*-----------------------------------------------------* : Information in this Mail is provided on an "as is" basis, : : with no guarantee of its veracity or accuracy. No liability : : is accepted for any damage caused by the use of this information: *-----------------------------------------------------------------* Theo Savidis E-Mail: Theo.Savidis@lpul.slu.se From syndesis@beta.inc.net Wed Mar 1 22:34:54 PST 1995 Article: 3045 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.animation:16680 alt.3d.studio:63 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3045 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,alt.3d.studio,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave 3D -> 3D Studio V3 Date: 1 Mar 1995 15:56:51 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3j25g3$44u@beta.inc.net> References: <3idjbu$q25@larry.rice.edu> <1995Feb27.120202@clstac> NNTP-Posting-Host: t12.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <1995Feb27.120202@clstac>, ranewport@csupomona.edu (Rob A. Newport) says: > > >In article <3idjbu$q25@larry.rice.edu>, jeff@owlnet.rice.edu (Jeffrey David Smith) writes: >> >> Does anyone have, or know about, a utility to translate models created in >> Lightwave 3D to the .3DS format? Or to DXF? Or *anything* that I could >> take into 3DStudio V3? > >I know there is a utility that converts Lightwave to Imagine 3.0 format and I >know Imagine can save as .DXF I know, too, and I'll even tell you about it. :-) My company makes InterChange, a program that translates between many 3D file formats, including LightWave objects and scenes, Imagine and many others. For more info, send me your postal address in private e-mail. From dave@gaspra.pd.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:30 PST 1995 Article: 3046 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3046 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!gaspra.pd.com!dave From: Dave Gilinsky Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW networking/novell question Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:29:28 -0700 Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Tom Coleman wrote: > I'm wondering if it is possible to render across a Novell network using a P5 > NT host machine networked to about 60 486s running windows? If so will it be > possible to have the frames all save to a common drive (such as a PAR drive > on the host P5)? > If you added a TCP/IP protocol stack and the ScreamerNet software to all your Windows (with Win32s extensions) and NT machines, you could "render across" your network and save all your frames on the 8 Amigas required to control the rendering activities of the 60 ScreamerNet CPUs. If you added either Oxxi's Novel client software on the Amiga, or an NFS server package on the NT machine, you could redirect your frames to any file system on the NT machine. All of this is really academic, I suppose, because as soon as Lightwave is available as a Win32 app, all copies of Lightwave will have access to all shared directories on your Novel or LanMan network. Dave Gilinsky (DG75) Pixel Dust, Inc. dave@gaspra.pd.com _______________________________________________________________________________ From cngraham@nyx10.cs.du.edu Wed Mar 1 22:33:36 PST 1995 Article: 3047 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3047 comp.graphics.animation:16688 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: cngraham@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Oooook.) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation Subject: Re: Lightwave Babylon 5 objects Date: 1 Mar 1995 10:20:58 -0700 Organization: University of Denver, Math/CS Dept. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3j2adq$mg7@nyx10.cs.du.edu> References: <3ioaic$2kk@gateway.ecn.com> <3iun9i$iq0@edf3.der.edf.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Could anyone please tell me how to obtain these b5 objects from? I can't find them on Aminet, and I seem to have become unusally dense. :) -- Craig Graham, Lancaster University, England. | "Life? Don't talk to me | about Life." cngraham@nyx.cs.du.edu | pyd040@central1.lancaster.ac.uk | -Marvin, the Paranoid Android From bitlord@delphi.com Wed Mar 1 22:36:09 PST 1995 Article: 3048 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3048 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Alexis Delgado Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Configuring Lightwave directories . . . Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 13:39:35 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 29 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com Hello fellow wavers! Did a backup of my systen so that I could rework the partitions. then I reinstalled everything. Ligtwave is looking in the old drawers for everything and (obviosuly) can't find them, so I have to manually select the new directory for each object,texture and surface in my scenes. It wouldn't be such a pain except for the fact that some of the scence that have anything over 10 objects in them. (one of my scences has 200!) Anybody know of a scene FIX utility? something like the FIXSCRIPT utility that comes with SCALAM but for lightwave? - I guess I just have to make one ;) - How can I rework the directories without having to reload, reconfigure, and resave all my scenes? I can't find anything in the maual about it. Would I have to reinstall lightwave itself, and configure it under the installation? -- Thanks to all? ^^^^^^^ !!!!!! BITLORD@delphi.com but you guys can call me alex! :) From shadow@shade.com Wed Mar 1 22:36:05 PST 1995 Article: 3049 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3049 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!NewsWatcher!user From: shadow@shade.com (ShadowPC) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: ***Lightwave for NT/SGI is here at last!!!!!*** Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 13:23:33 -0500 Organization: Shadowlands Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: crc3.cris.com We just got our new Lightwave for NT yesterday and it's great! We have it running on our SGI's and Alphas and a few Pentiums! It screams! We really like it alot. Much better than Alias and SoftImage, which we were using. We're using it to finish up on the special effects for the new Star Trek Movie due out next month! In case you didn't know about the movie, it will join all the crews from the original series, the NeXT Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and the new yet-to-be-anounced Trek show! These crews team up to fight the crews from Babylon 5 and Seaquest DSV! Lightwave is doing all the special effects for the movie and also the new "Computer Generated" crew member, Enigma! The title of the Movie so far is "Star Trek: We're Clueless". Lets all hear from the other users out there that have Lightwave for NT and SGI out there! What do you think of it? From gaitat@vnet.ibm.com Wed Mar 1 22:33:38 PST 1995 Article: 3050 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3050 comp.graphics.animation:16696 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!portal.austin.ibm.com!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!gaitat From: gaitat@austin.ibm.com (Athanasios Gaitatzes) Subject: Re: Lightwave Babylon 5 objects Originator: gaitat@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com Sender: news@austin.ibm.com (News id) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 19:23:32 GMT Reply-To: gaitat@vnet.ibm.com References: <3ioaic$2kk@gateway.ecn.com> <3iun9i$iq0@edf3.der.edf.fr> Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 8 Anyone wants to tell us where these objects are? Thanks 5 million!!! -- Athanasios G. Gaitatzes (Saki) gaitat@vnet.ibm.com | gaitat@austin.ibm.com These statements and/or opinions are not necessarily those of IBM From bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu Wed Mar 1 22:35:14 PST 1995 Article: 3051 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3051 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!news.eecs.uic.edu!bert.eecs.uic.edu!bdupras From: bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Brian Dupras) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Trouble on the FONT-ier Date: 1 Mar 1995 01:30:58 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3j0ioi$h5s@news.eecs.uic.edu> References: <3iteoi$c23@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3j0cf7$6en@warp.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bert.eecs.uic.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] > gandorf247@aol.com (GandorF247) wrote: > - Does anyone know if I can take a > - Mac font and load it into my A4000 or if there is a program that will > - trace the logo and convert it into a modeler file. I own Pixel Pro and it > - just does not do the job. Help If you're looking to transfer a Mac font, use Fontographer for the Mac. It's an excellent program. You'll need to translate the font from whatever format into a PC (or Fontographer uses "Windows") format Type 1 Post Script. If the conversion is correct, Modeler CG will both be able to read it. You can make your Flying text in LW and your key-stuff in CG. Brian bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu From bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu Wed Mar 1 22:35:18 PST 1995 Article: 3052 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3052 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!news.eecs.uic.edu!bert.eecs.uic.edu!bdupras From: bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Brian Dupras) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Amiga/IBM Network Date: 1 Mar 1995 01:36:45 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3j0j3d$h5s@news.eecs.uic.edu> References: <3itj97$d1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bert.eecs.uic.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Wanna B 3D (wannab3d@aol.com) wrote: > Hello Lightwave users! > I have LW 3.5, A3000 & 486 DX2 66. I'm looking to network both computers > to render LW anims. When 4.0 comes out will it be compatible > cross-platform? I hope so. I don't want to scrap my Amiga. Also, what > equipment will I need? Yes, LW is compatable cross-platform (sort of). The object files will transfer, the scene files will transfer, motion files, envelopes, ... There have been some questions concerning the naming conventions. Such things like if you've got an object with an image map. That image happens to reside on DH0:/Images/, but what the hell is DH0: on a PC? :) This looks like a matter for Syndesis to tackle if LW itself won't. What's not inherently compatable is network rendering. LW will network render across a homogeneous network, but not across a PC, SGI, and Amiga (pick any two or three) without 3rd party support. > Your input is greatly appreciated! > Frank Chiappetta > Wanna B 3D@aol.com > Long live the Amiga! Brian bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu From all Wed Mar 1 22:33:51 PST 1995 Article: 3053 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3053 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!usenet From: bhoffman@valverde.edu (Brian Hoffman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 1 Mar 1995 19:11:05 GMT Organization: University of California, Riverside Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j2gs9$44k@galaxy.ucr.edu> References: <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu> Reply-To: all NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.233.11.70 In article <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu> dave@melmac.umd.edu (Dave) writes: > One would assume he'll get the program he or she determines to be > the best program for the job. > > Dave Paige > dave@melmac.umd.edu But like it or not, many people determine what program will be "right for the job" based largely on the reputation of that program. And currently the conventional wisdom in the PC market is that 3DS is the best tool for most jobs. Couple this with the fact that the educational buyer can get the program for "only" $700 (a whopping $1500-$1700 discount off the typical $2200-$2400 street price), and you can see why the majority of these buyers might choose 3DS over Lightwave if they can get it for about the same price. ( If someone offered to sell you a $10,000 car for $10,000, or a $30,000 car for $10,000, which would you choose?) Newtek needs to offer these buyers an incentive if they hope to get their business. Now you or I might just say that 3DS is vastly overpriced compared to Lightwave, but there is a large educational market out there that is convinced that a $2400 program MUST be better than a $700 program, especially if you only have to pay $700 for that $2400 program. We can call them stupid or uninformed, but Newtek needs their business. -Brian Hoffman (Physics Teacher/Lightwave User) Internet Address: bhoffman@valverde.edu From gandorf247@aol.com Wed Mar 1 22:36:10 PST 1995 Article: 3054 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3054 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gandorf247@aol.com (GandorF247) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: The Flyer Won't Work On My Machine Date: 1 Mar 1995 14:54:20 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3j2jdc$dhu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: gandorf247@aol.com (GandorF247) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com So I have had the Flyer for three weeks, and it will not work on my machine. I have done everything that the boys at Newtek have told me to do and it's a no-go. The basic problem is my A4000 does not see the Flyer for what it is supposed to be. It is supposed to show up as a 2091 card if you do a diagnostic boot, but mine is showing up as a 2203. What is that?? I have reduced my system to a stock Amiga and even totaly reformatted the HD and reinstalled the OS ( which is 3.0) Has anyone encountered this before?? Does anyone have any ideas? Please insert meaningful quote here. From ernie@gaspra.pd.com Wed Mar 1 22:33:52 PST 1995 Article: 3055 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3055 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!panix!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!gaspra.pd.com!ernie From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:03:12 -0700 Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> Brian Hoffman wrote: > I think this argument ignores basic human nature. A student/faculty > member looks at his choices and says: "I can get this $3000 program > for $700 (3DS, educational price), or I can get this $1000 program > for $650 (Lightwave, possible street price)." > > Which one appears to be the bargain? Y'know, it wouldn't surprise me a bit that someone purchasing a 3D program for an educational institution would base his decisions on a "bigger savings" argument like this, while utterly ignoring the relative merits of the programs irrespective of price. If NewTek wanted to play this game, the logical response would be a 200% increase in the MSRP of LW. It would NOT be a further discount on an already relatively low price. - Ernie From dave@melmac.umd.edu Wed Mar 1 22:35:55 PST 1995 Article: 3056 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3056 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!mojo.eng.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!melmac!dave From: dave@melmac.umd.edu (Dave) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: CLI on LAYOUT? Date: 1 Mar 1995 20:48:46 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3j2mje$mnd@umd5.umd.edu> References: <3j0lj5$2gf@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: melmac.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sergio Eduardo Rosas (ser2511@tam2000.tamu.edu) wrote: : I want to open an amiga shell on top of Layout. : Anyone know how to do this? : Thank you, : Sergio If you use WShell written by William Hawes you can set it to open on any screen (not just public screens). Therefore my wshell opens just fine on my layout or my modeler. WShell is an excellent replacement for Amiga Shell anyway. Dave Paige dave@melmac.umd.edu From jamesb@explorer Wed Mar 1 22:36:12 PST 1995 Article: 3057 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3057 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!explorer!jamesb From: James Brooks Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Brush or Polygon Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 17:32:22 -0500 Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am making a knob for the dishwasher that I am modeling and it has like 3 colors in it. I was wondering if it better to try to use a brush map (alot of trial and error to get it to fit just right on the knob) or polygon assignments (best way I can describe it right now..sorry). I am figuring it will save alittle bit of rendering time if I was to use the brush map vice going the polygon way, right? Of course the knob is around with an unusual bevel shape. Any help would (like always from you guys and gals) apreciated. Thanks, Alex --------------------------------------------------------------- James "Alex" Brooks Amiga 4000/040/28MHz 20MB RAM Lightwave 3.5 / Imagine 3.0 VideoToaster 4000 3.1 Sysquest 3.5" 270MB Bernoulli 90Pro NEC 3xp Triple Speed CDROM Warp Engine 4028 Epson ES-600C Scanner E-Mail: jamesb@clark.net -------------------------------------------------------------- From P.A.Tomlin1-93@student.lut.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 22:33:47 PST 1995 Article: 3058 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3058 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!pipex!warwick!nott-cs!lut.ac.uk!student.lut.ac.uk!P.A.Tomlin1-93 From: P.A.Tomlin1-93@student.lut.ac.uk (Paul Tomlin) Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Sender: usenet@lut.ac.uk (Usenet-News) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:48:06 GMT References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpl.lut.ac.uk Organization: Loughborough University, UK. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 44 Dave (dave@melmac.umd.edu) wrote: : Brian Hoffman (bhoffman@valverde.edu) wrote: : : In article <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> writes: : : > : : > Thus far, the only answer I have gotten is from Larry Bragg of : : > their marketing division and his answer was that its street price : : > would be less than the student discount price of 3D Studio 4.0, so : : > that they would probably not be offering any further discounts. : : > : : > --- : : I think this argument ignores basic human nature. A student/faculty : : member looks at his choices and says: "I can get this $3000 program : : for $700 (3DS, educational price), or I can get this $1000 program : : for $650 (Lightwave, possible street price)." : : Which one appears to be the bargain? And which one do you think he'll : : get? (Assuming he can't get both.) The street price of Lightwave : : would have to be substantially less than the $700 educational price : : of 3DS to win over the typical educational buyer, who may base their : : decision largely on perceived savings off list price, and reputation : : of the product. (And let's face it: 3DS has the reputation of being : : the best/most powerful/most popular 3D animation package on the PC.) : : Autodesk understands the value of making significant inroads into the : : educational community. Newtek should make similar efforts. : : -Brian Hoffman (Physics Teacher/Lightwave User) : : Internet Address: bhoffman@valverde.edu : One would assume he'll get the program he or she determines to be the : best program for the job. : Dave Paige : dave@melmac.umd.edu One may well assume wrong then... he'll probably get the piece of kit that the students will make most use of after their course has ended... that seems to be the way it goes here anyway! ( aside from a little bit of 'teach the basics through programs without bells and whistles') Paul P.A.Tomlin1-93@student.lut.ac.uk From jgross@netcom.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:03 PST 1995 Article: 3059 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3059 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: LW in SGI or LW in DEC-Alpha? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3itc57$icq@mailer.fsu.edu> <3j03cc$mmn@ug1.plk.af.mil> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 04:59:18 GMT Lines: 7 Sender: jgross@netcom21.netcom.com : Would you need a differnt version of LW-NT to run on the Alpha and the : Mips, or is it an Intel-NT program that runs under Intel emulation on : either box? You need a separate compiled Alpha version to run the Alpha chips. JG From jgross@netcom.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:36 PST 1995 Article: 3060 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3060 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: Interchange PC? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3iu3j8$hsb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3ivcgb$ll7@beta.inc.net> <3j0bge$gko@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 05:03:40 GMT Lines: 7 Sender: jgross@netcom21.netcom.com : : Now that those changes have been made, I'm sure it would : : be easy to port to the Alpha. But we've never before had a : : single request from a user to go to the Alpha before. Here's another... JG From jgross@netcom.com Wed Mar 1 22:36:07 PST 1995 Article: 3061 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3061 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: ***Lightwave for NT/SGI is here at last!!!!!*** Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 05:10:16 GMT Lines: 23 Sender: jgross@netcom21.netcom.com ShadowPC (shadow@shade.com) wrote: : We just got our new Lightwave for NT yesterday and it's great! We have it : running on our SGI's and Alphas and a few Pentiums! It screams! We really : like it alot. Much better than Alias and SoftImage, which we were using. Yea, we've got it running on our reality engines and it's much faster than anything I've seen. So good in fact, we never _had_ to use Alias or SoftImage. : We're using it to finish up on the special effects for the new Star Trek : Movie due out next month! In case you didn't know about the movie, it will : join all the crews from the original series, the NeXT Generation, Deep : Space Nine, Voyager and the new yet-to-be-anounced Trek show! These crews : team up to fight the crews from Babylon 5 and Seaquest DSV! Lightwave is : doing all the special effects for the movie and also the new "Computer : Generated" crew member, Enigma! The title of the Movie so far is "Star : Trek: We're Clueless". Hmmm, they must not have told you that they canceled that and are working on real shows instead. I hope you're getting paid for all that work! JG From c404266@mizzou1.missouri.edu Sat Mar 4 10:38:34 PST 1995 Article: 3062 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3062 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.missouri.edu!news From: instrument@reactor.murr.missouri.edu Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Subscribe to Lightwave Mailing List? Date: 2 Mar 1995 00:38:39 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Columbia Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3j342f$o91@news.missouri.edu> Reply-To: c404266@mizzou1.missouri.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.206.120.114 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Anyone know how to subscribe to either Lightwave-1 or Toaster-1 mailing lists on listserv@netcom.com? I have had several unsuccessful attempts even when I follow the "Majordomo results" instructions. Please help! TIA, John From dblevins@moscow.com Sat Mar 4 10:38:28 PST 1995 Article: 3063 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.animation:16711 alt.3d.studio:70 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3063 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!nwnexus!krel.iea.com!news.moscow.com!bei.moscow.com!user From: dblevins@moscow.com (Nick Sewell) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,alt.3d.studio,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave 3D -> 3D Studio V3 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 15:12:50 -0800 Organization: Blevins Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3idjbu$q25@larry.rice.edu> <1995Feb26.213048.17885@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: bei.moscow.com In article <1995Feb26.213048.17885@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il>, bmli@dapsas1 (Jie Hui Li) wrote: > Jeffrey David Smith (jeff@owlnet.rice.edu) wrote: > > : Does anyone have, or know about, a utility to translate models created in > : Lightwave 3D to the .3DS format? Or to DXF? Or *anything* that I could > : take into 3DStudio V3? > > Hi Smith > > You might want to try on avalon, I recall seeing alot of convertors there. > Or check out trueSpace (Caligari) It can load and save a wide range of > file types. > > bye > > PyGo. I use InterChange+ from Syndesis. It translates to and from both 3ds and DXF formats among many others. It is well worth the price. Syndesis Corp. 235 South Main St. Jefferson, WI 53549 (414)674-5200 (414)674-6363 fax Bryan J. Blevins ---- Blevins Enterprises, Inc. dblevins@moscow.com (208)885-3805 From ernie@gaspra.pd.com Sat Mar 4 10:38:40 PST 1995 Article: 3064 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3064 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!gaspra.pd.com!ernie From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 on a PowerMac running NT?!? Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 18:33:53 -0700 Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: > I understand that Lightwave 4.0 will run under Win/NT. It would therefore > follow that Lightwave 4.0 may/will run on a PowerMac. Nope. NT is just the OS. You'll also need a version of LW compiled for the PowerMac'c CPU (planned, but not this year, I don't think) or a piece of software that makes the PowerMac look like one of the platforms LW 4.0 will be released for (if such a thing exists, it would be pretty slow). - Ernie From chrish@shell.portal.com Sat Mar 4 10:38:52 PST 1995 Article: 3065 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3065 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!shell.portal.com!not-for-mail From: chrish@shell.portal.com (Chris Neil Hurley) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Distributed Rendering (Plantation) Special Date: 1 Mar 1995 17:51:51 -0800 Organization: Portal Communications (shell) Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3j38bn$npq@jobe.shell.portal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Summary: a quick note Keywords: Plantation Please forgive this minor transgression, but this is somewhat of a 'good news' note... Plantation, my distributed Rendering package for Amiga Lightwave networks is available at these special prices during March. machine limit special price regular price 2 machines $50.00 $100.00 5 machines $100.00 $150.00 10 machines $150.00 $200.00 For more info email or call me at (706)793-4007. We now return you to your regularly scheduled newsgroup. -- *********************************************************************** * Chris Hurley * Plantation:Scalable Distributed Rendering* * chrish@shell.portal.com * for Lightwave 3D. Available Now. * * irc: Mr_Scary * (706)793-4007. InterVISUAL Software. * From dave@melmac.umd.edu Sat Mar 4 10:38:53 PST 1995 Article: 3066 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3066 comp.graphics.animation:16718 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!melmac!dave From: dave@melmac.umd.edu (Dave) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation Subject: Re: Lightwave Babylon 5 objects Followup-To: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation Date: 2 Mar 1995 02:47:16 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3j3bjk$1lv@umd5.umd.edu> References: <3ioaic$2kk@gateway.ecn.com> <3iun9i$iq0@edf3.der.edf.fr> <3j2adq$mg7@nyx10.cs.du.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: melmac.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Oooook. (cngraham@nyx10.cs.du.edu) wrote: : Could anyone please tell me how to obtain these b5 objects from? I can't find : them on Aminet, and I seem to have become unusally dense. :) : -- : Craig Graham, Lancaster University, England. | "Life? Don't talk to me : | about Life." : cngraham@nyx.cs.du.edu | : pyd040@central1.lancaster.ac.uk | -Marvin, the Paranoid Android You can get them from the tomahawk LW ftp site tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu I believe the directory is root/LW/(etc.). Hope that works. Dave Paige dave@melmac.umd.edu From Theo.Savidis@lpul.slu.se Sat Mar 4 10:38:29 PST 1995 Article: 3067 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.animation:16720 alt.3d.studio:73 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3067 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!columba.udac.uu.se!populus.slu.se!jeathome.lpul.slu.se!Theo.Savidis From: Theo.Savidis@lpul.slu.se (Theo Savidis) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,alt.3d.studio,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave 3D -> 3D Studio V3 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:36:09 GMT Organization: Lost Souls Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3idjbu$q25@larry.rice.edu> <1995Feb26.213048.17885@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: jeathome.lpul.slu.se X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] >Jeffrey David Smith (jeff@owlnet.rice.edu) wrote: >: Does anyone have, or know about, a utility to translate models created in >: Lightwave 3D to the .3DS format? Or to DXF? Or *anything* that I could >: take into 3DStudio V3? >Hi Smith >You might want to try on avalon, I recall seeing alot of convertors there. >Or check out trueSpace (Caligari) It can load and save a wide range of >file types. >bye >PyGo. Yeah, TrueSpace is great, at messing up your meshes that is... *Disclaimer:*-----------------------------------------------------* : Information in this Mail is provided on an "as is" basis, : : with no guarantee of its veracity or accuracy. No liability : : is accepted for any damage caused by the use of this information: *-----------------------------------------------------------------* Theo Savidis E-Mail: Theo.Savidis@lpul.slu.se From all Sat Mar 4 10:38:02 PST 1995 Article: 3068 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3068 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!usenet From: bhoffman@valverde.edu (Brian Hoffman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 1 Mar 1995 22:41:47 GMT Organization: University of California, Riverside Lines: 46 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j2t7b$98o@galaxy.ucr.edu> References: Reply-To: all NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.233.11.70 In article Ernie Wright writes: > Y'know, it wouldn't surprise me a bit that someone purchasing a 3D > program for an educational institution would base his decisions on > a "bigger savings" argument like this, while utterly ignoring the > relative merits of the programs irrespective of price. If NewTek > wanted to play this game, the logical response would be a 200% > increase in the MSRP of LW. It would NOT be a further discount on > an already relatively low price. > > - Ernie The problem with raising the price is that Lightwave MIGHT then become less attractive to the professional markets. All I am suggesting is that if Newtek wants to maximize sales, it will need different pricing strategies for different markets. In the professional PC markets, Lightwave's comparatively low price will allow it to make substantial headway in markets that 3DS now dominates. In the educational PC markets (which 3DS also dominates), , Lightwave's normal street price will offer no similar incentive, since it will be about the same as the 3DS educational price. Newtek needs to offer a substantial price incentive if it wants to rapidly gain the largest possible market share in the educational arena. You may not think the educational market is worth "going after", but apparently Autodesk thinks otherwise. (A personal note: I use Lightwave 3.5 on my Toaster 4000 equipped 040 Amiga, so I'm already sold on the program. I will soon be buying a Pentium system in order to run Lightwave 4.0 PC, which I will buy regardless of whether or not it has special educational pricing. I also plan on buying 3DS R4, since as a teacher I can get it for $700, and the 3DS inverse kinematics appear to be much more full-featured then the "basic" IK promised for Lightwave 4.0. The 3DS IK will allow me to do mechanical simulation animations for my physics students that would prove more difficult with Lightwave 4.0's "basic" IK. I just wonder how many faculty out there currently using 3DS would give Lightwave the same kind of consideration without a real price incentive.) Just my two cents worth... -Brian Hoffman (Physics Teacher/Lightwave User) Internet Address: bhoffman@valverde.edu From dma@mcs.com Sat Mar 4 10:38:55 PST 1995 Article: 3069 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3069 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!panix!ddsw1!usenet From: Dan Ablan Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: For Sale Date: 2 Mar 1995 04:14:23 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3j3gmv$6jb@News1.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dma.pr.mcs.net A friend of mine has a decent system for sale, for someone looking to add an additional system, or just starting out: Amiga 3000 Toaster 4000 3.1/3.5 1084S Monitor 40Mhz '030 18MB Ram 400MB SCSI *** $2500 *** Give me a call if interested, and I'll hook you up with the seller. Work (312) 239-7957 EMail dma@mcs.com Thanks, Dan From steph@primenet.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:00 PST 1995 Article: 3070 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3070 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!steph From: steph@primenet.com (Steph Greenberg) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Voyager No-Prize Date: 2 Mar 1995 06:53:15 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3j3q0r$rpg@news.primenet.com> References: <3icsat$fpr@theopolis.orl.mmc.com> <3id7d1$6hp@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr3.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Stranahan (stranahan@aol.com) wrote: : ================== : Seems like SGI ought to be able to hang on and avoid being wiped out by : NewTek. Seems like anyone could. : Have you seen Alias PowerAnimator v6? The particle system?? LW : has a ways to go... Alias is already refining these things. While all this is true, and Alias has a lot of advantages that only experienced Alias and Softimage animators can understand (v6+ that is), if you have to do polygonal modeling, do it in Lightwave. Lightwave's modeler is an even match for Del Rey Graphics (formerly Symbolics) modeler, and superior in some ways (like hide unselected/selected, layers, visual magnet tool operating only on selected points, sewing two objects together manually or with booleans, predictable smoothing/subdivision, triangularization, skinning and other esoterica). When it comes to polygonal modeling Alias doesn't have a clue. However with their inverse kinematic joints and flexible skin and constraint systems (no prob keeping feet on the floor whilst you adjust the hips, or having a character pick up the phone--and a really neat if slow graph editor for animation channels) Lightwave can't do buff character work as easily. At the moment. I'm advocating Lightwave as a must have peripheral to Alias. JM$.02 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steph Greenberg steph@primenet.com "Every Friday is a prelude to Monday." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From donald@nasau.iquest.com Sat Mar 4 10:38:33 PST 1995 Article: 3071 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3071 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!bcm!news.msfc.nasa.gov!marshalltv.msfc.nasa.gov!not-for-mail From: Donald Cotnoir-Strong Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Brush or Polygon Date: 2 Mar 1995 00:10:38 GMT Organization: NASA/MSFC Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3j32du$9qq@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: marshalltv.msfc.nasa.gov James Brooks wrote: > I was wondering if it better to try to use a brush map (alot of trial and > error to get it to fit just right on the knob) or polygon assignments > (best way I can describe it right now..sorry). If it's a round knob, fitting should be fairly simple...there are tutorials on this in the LW manual and in a couple of issues of VTU. If your knob really is round, create a circular texture map in DPaint, or TPaint, or Brilliance, or whatever. Instead of saving the whole image, cut it out as a brush and save the brush. The edges of the brush should exactly match the edges of the circle. When you map this brush to the knob surface, use the autosizing feature to get it to measure correctly. If the edge of the knob is all one color, I suggest you make the background of the image that color also, to avoid having the blocky edges of the circle show up. > I am figuring it will save alittle bit of rendering time if I was to use > the brush map vice going the polygon way, right? Actually, no. All my tests seem to indicate that a polygon with a fairly plain surface--read, no fractal-style procedural textures-- will render MUCH faster than any image map, with less chance of aliasing or--worse--bad anti-aliasing. Don From jgjones@earth Sat Mar 4 10:38:56 PST 1995 Article: 3072 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3072 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!earth.usa.net!earth!jgjones From: jgjones@earth (James Jones/Nibbles and Bits) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: ***Lightwave for NT/SGI is here at last!!!!!*** Date: 2 Mar 1995 04:52:48 GMT Organization: Internet Express (800-592-1240 customer service) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3j3iv0$911@earth.usa.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.usa.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] > We just got our new Lightwave for NT yesterday and it's great! We have > ...and so on... > Lets all hear from the other users out there that have Lightwave for NT > and SGI out there! What do you think of it? Fascinating. An actual pothole on the Information Superhighway. -Jim From jerickso@vogon.islandnet.com Sat Mar 4 10:38:31 PST 1995 Article: 3073 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3073 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.camosun.bc.ca!island.amtsgi.bc.ca!vogon!jerickso From: jerickso@vogon.islandnet.com (Joel Erickson) Subject: Toaster 4.0 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Summary: Keywords: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL3] Message-ID: Date: 1 Mar 95 15:59:48 PST Organization: Vogon Mailbox Lines: 20 Will Toasters shipped after the release of 4.0 include the 4.0 software distribution, or will Toaster buyers be forced to upgrade to 4.0 from 3.1/3.5 unless they, for instance, buy a Flyer? Will the price of the Toaster card increase with the release of 4.0? Also, is there an upgrade program which would let me upgrade from LW (3.5 or 4.0) to a full Toaster setup at reduced cost? If so, what are the details? (I'm debating whether to purchase LW standalone now or wait until I can afford a full Toaster setup) Thanks... -- Joel Erickson (jerickso@vogon.islandnet.com) / A4000/040/10/120 "While most overworlders fortunately don't realize this, Gargoyles can be most delicious, providing you have the appropriate tools to carve them." - The Underworld Cookbook, by Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar From ernie@gaspra.pd.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:02 PST 1995 Article: 3074 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3074 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!panix!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!gaspra.pd.com!ernie From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: TIO won't import DXF Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 04:35:54 -0700 Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3ijb6u$dsu@news.missouri.edu> <3irdnc$jlm@beta.inc.net> <3isn4o$e2@beta.inc.net> <3j0dfu$f5i@news.missouri.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j0dfu$f5i@news.missouri.edu> > Why is it that I can export a DXF file from CadKey and import it as a 3-D > object into AutoCad with very little problem? Some of the entities get > lost in the translation, but 90%+ is intact as 3-D!! Some of the entities > also make it thru the translation into Lightwave. CAD stands for "computer aided drafting." Drafting is 2D. The fact that you can move a DXF from one CAD program to another means nothing. DXFs contain drawings, not objects, and unless the draftsman is aware of the distinction, it's easy for him to create a DXF that's just a tangle of unrelated 3D lines from LightWave's point of view. - Ernie From btripp@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Sat Mar 4 10:38:58 PST 1995 Article: 3075 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3075 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!hookup!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!btripp From: "Bob A. Tripp" Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: amiga 3000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:27:27 -0600 Organization: The University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For Sale: Amiga 3000 - 1950 multisync/mutilscan monitor (software included) alot of extras - 0) Kickstart 2.x (no big deal, I know) 1) Programmers hardware reference manual. 2) The discontinued Amiga tech journal - all editions printed - a developers dream come true - code in C and Assembly (all the disks too). 3) Looks Brand new. 4) Comes with original box and packing. 5) The Price - $800 - I hate to say it - or O.B.O Call Bob @ 210 561 8459. From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Mar 4 10:39:08 PST 1995 Article: 3076 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3076 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Interchange PC? Date: 2 Mar 1995 13:44:55 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3j4i4n$c6p@beta.inc.net> References: <3iu3j8$hsb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3ivcgb$ll7@beta.inc.net> <3j0bge$gko@umd5.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kate.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article , jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) says: > >: : Now that those changes have been made, I'm sure it would >: : be easy to port to the Alpha. But we've never before had a >: : single request from a user to go to the Alpha before. > >Here's another... Just for the record, the three guys I know who have Alphas, who also happen to be on the "NFRs for cool friends" gravy train for Syndesis products, have requested the Alpha version of InterChange. :-) From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Mar 4 10:39:03 PST 1995 Article: 3077 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3077 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: TIO won't import DXF Date: 2 Mar 1995 13:55:54 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3j4ipa$c6p@beta.inc.net> References: <3ijb6u$dsu@news.missouri.edu> <3irdnc$jlm@beta.inc.net> <3isn4o$e2@beta.inc.net> <3j NNTP-Posting-Host: kate.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article , Ernie Wright says: > DXFs >contain drawings, not objects, and unless the draftsman is aware of the >distinction, it's easy for him to create a DXF that's just a tangle of >unrelated 3D lines from LightWave's point of view. Happens all the time! Drafts(wo/man/person) makes a jumble of AutoCAD 3D line entities, thinks they're "polygons", gives it to animator, who loads it into LW, finds a bunch of lines, and expected it to magically turn to polygons. "Which polygons," I ask. There's an indefinite number of ways to connect them. Remind me to make a "ten most commonly encountered problems with DXF" to add to the next LW manual. From donald@nasau.iquest.com Sat Mar 4 10:38:37 PST 1995 Article: 3078 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3078 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!bcm!news.msfc.nasa.gov!marshalltv.msfc.nasa.gov!not-for-mail From: Donald Cotnoir-Strong Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Subscribe to Lightwave Mailing List? Date: 2 Mar 1995 14:00:06 GMT Organization: NASA/MSFC Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3j4j16$i5e@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> References: <3j342f$o91@news.missouri.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: marshalltv.msfc.nasa.gov instrument@reactor.murr.missouri.edu wrote: > > Anyone know how to subscribe to either Lightwave-1 or Toaster-1 mailing > lists on listserv@netcom.com? I believe the handles for those mailing lists are lightwave-l and Toaster-l, not lightwave-1 and toaster-1. In case your system has a funny font, the distinction is between -l (dash ell) and -1 (dash one). Don From bardet@cli52ab.der.edf.fr Sat Mar 4 10:38:36 PST 1995 Article: 3079 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3079 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!pasteur.fr!news2.EUnet.fr!edf3.edf.fr!cli52ae!bardet From: bardet@edf.fr ( Philippe Bardet Cohen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Subscribe to Lightwave Mailing List? Date: 2 Mar 1995 13:59:00 GMT Organization: Electricite De France Clamart Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3j4iv4$r0d@edf3.der.edf.fr> References: <3j342f$o91@news.missouri.edu> Reply-To: bardet@cli52ab.der.edf.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: cli52ae.der.edf.fr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] instrument@reactor.murr.missouri.edu wrote: : Anyone know how to subscribe to either Lightwave-1 or Toaster-1 mailing it's not Lightwave-1 or Toaster-1. it's lightwave-l (l like list) and toaster-l case is important too, I think. : lists on listserv@netcom.com? I have had several unsuccessful attempts : even when I follow the "Majordomo results" instructions. Please help! : TIA, : John -- |\/\/\/| Philippe Bardet | | | A4040/14Mo/635Mo /// F ormation | | | /// d' I ngenieurs | | (o)(o) Amiga Revue /// en I nformatique | C _) \\\/// de la F aculte | | ,___| CUK or CEI ??? \XX/ d' O rsay | | / Does anybody out there even care... | /____\ E-mail: bardet@cli52ab.der.edf.fr_______________________| From palabart@aol.com Sat Mar 4 10:37:54 PST 1995 Article: 3080 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3080 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: palabart@aol.com (PalaBart) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 2 Mar 1995 10:09:05 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 20 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3j4n2h$qfu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu> Reply-To: palabart@aol.com (PalaBart) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com >One would assume he'll get the program he or she determines to be the >best program for the job. > >Dave Paige >dave@melmac.umd.edu Dear Dave, I think you're wrong. Most people make the first decision to buy a complex program like Lightwave based on what they perceive, not objective reality. The perceived value of a $3,000 program selling for $700 is far greated than the perceived value of a $1,000 program selling for $650. Remember the Apple example. Apple practically gave away their IIe to schools and universities. That giveaway was the best thing Apple ever did, aside from their Logo design. Students who move into the marketplace will want to use familiar tools. Many of them will be going into industries where 3D animation is a new concept. Their new bosses will defer to their judgement and Lightwave will NOT be the winner. Newtek should take heed. From jduncan@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Sat Mar 4 10:38:04 PST 1995 Article: 3081 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3081 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!bubba.ucc.okstate.edu!news From: James Duncan Davidson Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 2 Mar 1995 16:06:31 GMT Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu bhoffman@valverde.edu (Brian Hoffman) wrote: > I think this argument ignores basic human nature. A student/faculty > member looks at his choices and says: "I can get this $3000 program > for $700 (3DS, educational price), or I can get this $1000 program > for $650 (Lightwave, possible street price)." Microstation PC, which is a $3500+ program, sells to the educational market for $150-$190. Modelview, an equally expensive program, sells to education for about the same. The point is, if you are selling to commercial clients, then sure -- charge to make a profit, because your clients are making a profit. But if you want students to learn the program, then you need to make sure that the students can afford it. And you might as well encourage them to buy it legally. Instead they *will* go off and pirate it. Case in point: Microstation vs. AutoCAD Bentley sells a full-featured educational version of Microstation, a $3500 program, for $150-190 to students -- with full documentation. Autocad sells the student version of r13 for $700. Yeah - you can get the "LT" version with zilch for docuemtation for beans, but if you don't have the books, why bother? Especially with a brain dead limited version. Out of the 30 or so people who have computers at my school, there are about 10 people who have Microstation (legally) and 20 people who have AutoCAD (stolen). The people who have Microstation know it and use it. The people who have AutoCAD go around and ask stupid questions (no books, remember?) At my job last summer, I *convinced* my employer to ditch AutoCAD and go with Microstation -- because I knew what Microstation could do. I made Bentley some money. AutoCAD -- well, my employer was using pirate copies of it to begin with... :-) (and you'd be suprised at that number!) With the actual cost of a box of software ($25 tops) -- educational versions which are full featured and well documented, can be veiwed as *effective* marketing tools. So if NewTek wants to catchup with 3D Studio in the marketplace, the schools are an effective place to start. :stepping down: james From keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. Sat Mar 4 10:39:09 PST 1995 Article: 3082 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3082 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu!tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu!keithc From: keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. (Keith Christopher) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Looking for Visa Logo, etc Date: 2 Mar 1995 16:18:53 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j4r5d$ksk@jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu> References: <3igsq0$jt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: keithc@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu. NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.220.59.75 In article jt@newsbf02.news.aol.com, palabart@aol.com (PalaBart) writes: >Seems to me the easiest way to make a visa logo is: > >Reach into your wallet > >Pull out your Visa card > >Point your camera at it > >Freeze it in the Toaster > >Touch up as you like in TP or whatever > I'd change the numbers in TP also. Wouldn't be too cool to have your visa # on a public displayed animation or framestore. 8-) Also next time you are in a bank ask for a visa application and capture it off of the brochure. Keith Christopher -- Broken Arrow Images -- tomahawk (waverider) ftp & gopher & WWW admin. From vtourang@chat.carleton.ca Sat Mar 4 10:38:44 PST 1995 Article: 3083 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3083 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!arena!vtourang From: vtourang@chat.carleton.ca (Vince Tourangeau) Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 on a PowerMac running NT?!? Message-ID: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:40:55 GMT Lines: 27 Ernie Wright (ernie@gaspra.pd.com) wrote: > > I understand that Lightwave 4.0 will run under Win/NT. It would therefore > > follow that Lightwave 4.0 may/will run on a PowerMac. > Nope. NT is just the OS. You'll also need a version of LW compiled for > the PowerMac'c CPU (planned, but not this year, I don't think) or a piece > of software that makes the PowerMac look like one of the platforms LW 4.0 > will be released for (if such a thing exists, it would be pretty slow). > - Ernie Well, you could always get a Houdini II, but then you'd only have a 486DX66 chip... If you really want LightWave NOW, you'll have to get a Pentium-based PC, an Amiga or an SGI. BTW, I don't think NT will run on the current crop of PowerMacs, since they were released before IBM and Apple settled on how to do cross-platform stuff. Vince ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Flaming Carrot: "Come here and look in the window!" Herbie: "GADZOOKS! Shakespeare is an AEROBICS INSTRUCTOR!!!" Vince Tourangeau Carleton University vtourang@chat.carleton.ca From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Mar 4 10:39:06 PST 1995 Article: 3084 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3084 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: TIO won't import DXF Date: 2 Mar 1995 18:26:45 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3j52l5$dnb@beta.inc.net> References: <3ijb6u$dsu@news.missouri.edu> <3irdnc$jlm@beta.inc.net> <3isn4o$e2@beta.inc.net> <3j0dfu$f5i@news.missouri.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: t10.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3j0dfu$f5i@news.missouri.edu>, instrument@reactor.murr.missouri.edu (John Ferrel) says: > >>>Don't forget that DXF ...fundamentally 2D. It's a 3D exchange ... >>... DXF is someone who thinks that a 2D, wireframe, >>blueprint-like DXF file is a "3D" model. Usually, it starts >>with the client who is convinced that the data is true polygonal >>3D. ... they blame the translator. > >Why is it that I can export a DXF file from CadKey and import it as a 3-D >object into AutoCad with very little problem? Some of the entities get >lost in the translation, but 90%+ is intact as 3-D!! Some of the entities >also make it thru the translation into Lightwave. You have the best chance of moving DXF between CAD packages. CAD packages (read: blueprint-making programs) are similar. However, CAD and 3D programs are different, they have different purposes. CAD programs have things like dimension lines (adjoining arrowed lines with measurements as text next to other entities.) 3D programs have things like polygons and complex material attributes. From eld@netcom.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:31 PST 1995 Article: 3085 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3085 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!eld From: eld@netcom.com (Eric Davis) Subject: Lightwave NT new features? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:32:26 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: eld@netcom6.netcom.com So who has the new port in their hand? I was curious if any new features have been added like metballs/blobs or if the interface has been altered. or is it just a straight port over? -- -->ericd<--------------------------------------------------------------------- eld@netcom.com <---> ambient, unix, mac, denver, graphics, interface, 3-D -------------------BEEF: It's what's for dinner------------------------------- From rlink@vetmed.wsu.edu Sat Mar 4 10:39:14 PST 1995 Article: 3086 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3086 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!vet1.vetmed.wsu.edu!rlink From: "Richard B. Link" Subject: Lightwave 4.0 Win Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: X-Organization: Washington State College of Veterinary Medicine Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:06:45 GMT Lines: 10 Ok, I have seen a whole lot of talk about this and you people have really intrested me, but ... how much is it going to cost??? Thanks Richard B. Link rlink@vetmed.wsu.edu From camcollect@aol.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:28 PST 1995 Article: 3087 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3087 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: camcollect@aol.com (CamCollect) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: The Flyer Won't Work On My Machine Date: 2 Mar 1995 20:50:04 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 17 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3j5skc$5b7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3j2jdc$dhu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: camcollect@aol.com (CamCollect) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com OS 3.0 is the problem. Try replacing the original 2.1 ROM on the A4000 and all will work fine. Greg Milneck, Jr. The Video Company Baton Rouge, LA, USA camcollect@aol.com From all Sat Mar 4 10:39:17 PST 1995 Article: 3088 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3088 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!usenet From: bhoffman@valverde.edu (Brian Hoffman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Buying a PC for Lightwave Date: 2 Mar 1995 20:26:48 GMT Organization: University of California, Riverside Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j59m8$sfs@galaxy.ucr.edu> Reply-To: all NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.233.11.70 Anyone contemplating purchasing a Pentium system may want to wait a few months. This is due to the fact that Intel has introduced a new Pentium motherboard chipset. The old Intel chipset was Neptune, the new chipset is Triton. With the new motherboard chipset will come a new generation of motherboards that should be cheaper and faster than the current ones. One of the first announced clone systems using the Triton chipset is the Micron Millenium 100 MHz Pentium. It uses a next generation Micronics motherboard. Early benchmarks indicate it is up to 20% faster than the current crop of 100 MHz Pentium machines. I'm sure other clone makers will soon be introducing their own systems using the new motherboards, so it may be wise to hold off a purchase until these new systems are more common. (Or order a Micron system now and hope these first systems are solid. Expected delivery time for orders placed today is 8 weeks.) (BTW, the motherboard is the thing you should be most concerned with when shopping for a PC. Micronics and Intel motherboards seem to be among the faster and more reliable makes. An example of slow motherboard would be any Pentium PCI/VLB hybrid motherboard using the OPTI chipset.) -Brian Hoffman (bhoffman@valverde.edu) From downinit@teleport.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:11 PST 1995 Article: 3092 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com rec.video.desktop:4129 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3092 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: downinit@teleport.com (DMetcalfe) Newsgroups: rec.video.desktop,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Amiga-Amiga-Mac TCP-IP Network, Any Experiences? Date: 2 Mar 1995 09:15:45 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3j4ug1$b91@linda.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: linda.teleport.com This has been asked in more detail to csa.networking and comp.protocols.tcp-ip, but I figured there might be out there in these groups who's tried it. Here's the setup: (2) OS2.1 Amigas with Hydra cards. (1) PowerMac with built-in Ethernet. As I understand it, AmiTCP4.0Demo is a client only. The PowerMac's not here yet, (you try to get your hands on an 8100 right now), so I don't know if MacTCP is server capable or what the Ethernet port actually uses (10-Base-T, 10-Base-2, Thicknet?). What are my chances of getting the Mac to act as a server to the 2 Amigas NFS or some other filesystem? Is there a better way? I know Enlan's the way to go on a Amiga-Amiga net, but I really want that Mac available also. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. -- Darren Metcalfe downinit@teleport.com From tom@bus.olemiss.edu Sat Mar 4 10:38:07 PST 1995 Article: 3093 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3093 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!natinst.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu!tom From: tom@bus.olemiss.edu (Tom Coleman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 23:54:27 Organization: Univ of Mississippi Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <3j5iq8$2kt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <3j5iq8$2kt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) writes: >From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) >Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave >Date: 2 Mar 1995 18:02:32 -0500 >----------------- >Remember the Apple example. Apple practically gave away their IIe to >schools and universities. That giveaway was the best thing Apple ever >did, aside from their Logo design. Students who move into the marketplace >will want to use familiar tools. Many of them will be going into >industries where 3D animation is a new concept. Their new bosses will >defer to their judgement and Lightwave will NOT be the winner. >---------------- Regardless of what universities do, Lightwave is going to be scarfed up by anyone who has sense enough to see what an incredible thing it is. Hopefully, MicrosoftImage won't swallow the entire NT market in one gulp. I wonder if an NT Softie will grace NAB??? >I've heard this arguement many many times before - please explain why >Apple hasn't improved it's market share ever if this was such a brilliant >plan? I don't think there would be an Apple had not the academic world adopted Macs. It would be nice if there were PowerPC 640 Amigas on the way. My three A2000 030's are patiently purring away in the distance. >_____________________________________________ >Lee Stranahan >(This company name space available!) >"You find one in every car. You'll see." looking forward to 4.0nt TC From bdupras@ernie.eecs.uic.edu Sat Mar 4 10:39:05 PST 1995 Article: 3095 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3095 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!news.eecs.uic.edu!ernie.eecs.uic.edu!bdupras From: bdupras@ernie.eecs.uic.edu (Brian Dupras) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: TIO won't import DXF Date: 3 Mar 1995 00:05:05 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3j5mfh$s4p@news.eecs.uic.edu> References: <3ijb6u$dsu@news.missouri.edu> <3irdnc$jlm@beta.inc.net> <3isn4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ernie.eecs.uic.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] John Foust (syndesis@beta.inc.net) wrote: > In article , Ernie Wright says: > > DXFs > >contain drawings, not objects, and unless the draftsman is aware of the > >distinction, it's easy for him to create a DXF that's just a tangle of > >unrelated 3D lines from LightWave's point of view. > Happens all the time! Drafts(wo/man/person) makes a jumble of > AutoCAD 3D line entities, thinks they're "polygons", gives > it to animator, who loads it into LW, finds a bunch of lines, > and expected it to magically turn to polygons. "Which polygons," > I ask. There's an indefinite number of ways to connect them. > Remind me to make a "ten most commonly encountered problems > with DXF" to add to the next LW manual. Actually, how about "creating DXF's that work with LW" and a "kludging DXF to work with LW" sections? Not necessarily a step-by-step, but a limited description of how to create (or translate) a DXF in ACAD so it can be imported into LW. I had a sheet at one point (for a very specific task) that was a list of steps to do so I could use my DXF's in LW, but it took me about 3 weeks at the time to just get the process down. Brian bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu From bdupras@ernie.eecs.uic.edu Sat Mar 4 10:38:10 PST 1995 Article: 3096 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3096 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!news.eecs.uic.edu!ernie.eecs.uic.edu!bdupras From: bdupras@ernie.eecs.uic.edu (Brian Dupras) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 3 Mar 1995 00:27:19 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Lines: 61 Message-ID: <3j5np7$s4p@news.eecs.uic.edu> References: <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <3j5iq8$2kt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ernie.eecs.uic.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Stranahan (stranahan@aol.com) wrote: > ----------------- > Remember the Apple example. Apple practically gave away their IIe to > schools and universities. That giveaway was the best thing Apple ever > did, aside from their Logo design. Students who move into the marketplace > will want to use familiar tools. Many of them will be going into > industries where 3D animation is a new concept. Their new bosses will > defer to their judgement and Lightwave will NOT be the winner. > ----------------- > I've heard this arguement many many times before - please explain why > Apple hasn't improved it's market share ever if this was such a brilliant > plan? > _____________________________________________ > Lee Stranahan > (This company name space available!) > "You find one in every car. You'll see." Well, at the very lowest level, Apple is a relatively new computer platform. They (Mac, that is) were *nothing* 6 or 7 years ago. "Toys", I believe, was the most common description I heard about them. No "computer person" was innocent of gauking at it's OS (myself included). But, as has been pointed out before, they went educational first. They offered dirt cheap prices to schools and included some basic tools (word processors, etc) that schools would want. Some years later, they are the number 2 "desktop", "home", "small business", (whatever) computer on the market in the US. Their US market in this market is something like 13% total sales (whatever that's *really* supposed to mean, who knows?). The fact is that a Mac, due mostly to their marketing (obviously not their raw computing power) is a viable computer for office tasks, graphic tasks (such as PhotoShop and Illustrator), personal stuff, and educational use. If that's not an increase from mainly typewriters with screens, what is? --stepping down-- Now, whether or not LW's future will be highly (or even slightly) effected by student pricing, I doubt. I hate to say that since I am a student and would love to pick it up for $150 and still use it for my freelancing. I hope they do go with student pricing, but I'm not going to hold my breath. What NewTek might want to do is offer LW to school Graphics and TV organizations for cheap. For instance, U of North Texas has a channel (NTTV) that is broadcast locally to the Dallas area, and one show is taped and rebroadcast over 5 states (the Coaches Show). Having LW created graphics on channels such as these could generate a decent enough amount of interest in LW to justify "giving away" a few copies at $150. I'm sure a deal could be struck between a marketing person at NewTek and someone in charge at NTTV (or wherever), but I'm also sure it would be a special case. Brian bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu From fredie@churchill Sat Mar 4 10:37:47 PST 1995 Article: 3097 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3097 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!churchill!fredie From: fredie@churchill (Fredie.Layberger) Subject: Re: Post Flyer Wish Lists HERE! Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions, Columbia SC X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 References: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 18:54:54 GMT Lines: 59 wsavage@netcom.com (Warren Savage) writes: : We the fiscally irresponsible have had our .9 flyers for a while now. : Flyer owners have posted that they'd like to see this bug fixed, that : feature added. Thierry (your last name escapes me as I compose this. My : apologies... ) has suggested in a different thread that we must give : NewTek until Flyer V4 before we can discuss the desirable features and : capabilities of the flyer. I think otherwise. Here goes, in no : particular order... : : -=-==-=- : : 1. "Optimization" of the placement of clips on the two flyer drives. : When you're done cutting, a press of the button will copy clips between : the A and B drives so that the video will play back without having to : record scratch segments for the A/B effects. : : 2. Playback of only a selected part of a program. Imagine telling a : client "No, you'll have to sit through the whole thing again to see the : changed part in context." You can play form the selecton icon forward now by pressing SHIFT TAB or by holding down the SHIFT key while you click on the paly button.: : 3. Being able to "build" audio tracks, "cutting in" sound effects to : match the picture. : : 4. Electronic "grease-pencil" marks. I'd like to be able to somehow : "mark" the frame of a clip where the gun begins to fire, scrub and mark : the audio clip of a pistol firing, and then have the two "grease-pencil" : marks line up. (Syncing and cutting pistol shots is easy, but the idea of : tagging a specific frame of action or sound is important to sound editing.) : : 5. Audio "scrubbing." I have an AD-516 and although it has allowed me : to build some impressive tracks for video, it was a lot harder to get : specific effects cut in in sync with it. I can sync effects faster and : more accurately by scrubbing videotape and zeroing the counters : (electronic "grease-pencil") at the point where the audio and video match. : : 6. Music Video edit mode. The flaw with the storyboard interface is it : doesn't allow holes in the uncompleted program. When cutting some : programs, I'll lay in the audio first and then insert the video where : appropriate. I'll also cut so that action, not cuts, fall on the musical : beats. Any dope can cut on the beat. Imagine a shot of a man suddenly : extending his arm and pointing. The action is very snappy, and you want : to see the entire action plus about a half second before and after the : action -- AND the finger pointing has to occur on a SPECIFIC beat of the : music, two-thirds of the way through the song. With videotape, I could : have that shot laid in and waiting for me to insert the shots around it. : With the Storyboard interface, there needs to be a way to "anchor" : certain shots to program time or to audio tracks. : : -=-==-=- : : That's all I can think of for now. Please post your ideas. I hope it : will help make the flyer an outstanding tool. : : WJS : From fredie@churchill Sat Mar 4 10:39:24 PST 1995 Article: 3098 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3098 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!churchill!fredie From: fredie@churchill (Fredie.Layberger) Subject: Re: Trouble on the FONT-ier Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions, Columbia SC X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 References: <3iteoi$c23@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:58:49 GMT Lines: 14 If the logo is a postscript font, you could use TypeSmith to make changes in its appearance and then load it directly into LW. TypeSmith also has a trace option and spline modeling tools so it can be used to create fonts. gandorf247@aol.com (GandorF247) writes: : I have had four projects come up in the past few weeks that people have : asked me to take a logo created in a Mac and turn it into a lightwave : animation. Besides taking the image of the scanned v-lox and tracing it : in modeler (which is the biggest pain) does anyone know if I can take a : Mac font and load it into my A4000 or if there is a program that will : trace the logo and convert it into a modeler file. I own Pixel Pro and it : just does not do the job. Help From fallous@ksu.ksu.edu Sat Mar 4 10:39:33 PST 1995 Article: 3099 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3099 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!fox.ksu.ksu.edu!not-for-mail From: fallous@ksu.ksu.edu (Jay Goodwin) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Toasterlink question Date: 3 Mar 1995 03:58:58 -0600 Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3j6p92$icm@fox.ksu.ksu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: fox.ksu.ksu.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) I need some advice on a Toasterlink equipped 4000. Can the scsi board be used to drive other HD's along with the TL? I'm sure the board is a DataFlyer 2000, but I'm not sure we have any of the proper drivers for it on our 4000. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jay Goodwin fallous@ksu.ksu.edu From wturber@primenet.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:18 PST 1995 Article: 3100 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3100 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip006.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Buying a PC for Lightwave Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:26:53 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3j59m8$sfs@galaxy.ucr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip006.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3j59m8$sfs@galaxy.ucr.edu> bhoffman@valverde.edu (Brian Hoffman) writes: >From: bhoffman@valverde.edu (Brian Hoffman) >Subject: Buying a PC for Lightwave >Date: 2 Mar 1995 20:26:48 GMT >Anyone contemplating purchasing a Pentium system may want to wait a >few months. This is due to the fact that Intel has introduced a new >Pentium motherboard chipset. The old Intel chipset was Neptune, the >new chipset is Triton. With the new motherboard chipset will come a >new generation of motherboards that should be cheaper and faster than >the current ones. [snip] >-Brian Hoffman (bhoffman@valverde.edu) Anybody know how this design difference would affect rendering? I have read a little about this new chipset, and I got the impression that the benefit would be primarily in running a GUI. Running a GUI faster shouldn't necessarily mean faster renderings does it? Faster interface response is always good, but I don't see it as an overriding factor. For me the main question is: does it render faster? If this chipset does, then the wait may be worthwhile. Otherwise . . . _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From wturber@primenet.com Sat Mar 4 10:38:11 PST 1995 Article: 3101 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3101 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip006.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:31:07 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <3j5iq8$2kt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip006.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3j5iq8$2kt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) writes: >From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) >Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave >Date: 2 Mar 1995 18:02:32 -0500 >----------------- >Remember the Apple example. Apple practically gave away their IIe to >schools and universities. That giveaway was the best thing Apple ever >did, aside from their Logo design. Students who move into the marketplace >will want to use familiar tools. Many of them will be going into >industries where 3D animation is a new concept. Their new bosses will >defer to their judgement and Lightwave will NOT be the winner. >----------------- >I've heard this arguement many many times before - please explain why >Apple hasn't improved it's market share ever if this was such a brilliant >plan? >_____________________________________________ >Lee Stranahan >(This company name space available!) >"You find one in every car. You'll see." Just speculating, but maybe this strategy was (or at least was part of) what kept Apple from disappearing altogether. _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From teyilei@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Mar 4 10:38:14 PST 1995 Article: 3102 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3102 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!teyilei From: teyilei@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Teyi N Lei) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 3 Mar 1995 08:09:32 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3j6irs$o9o@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <3j5iq8$2kt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article , Walter J. Turberville (III) wrote: > >Just speculating, but maybe this strategy was (or at least was part of) what >kept Apple from disappearing altogether. > I tend to agree. I can't prove how Apple's educational policy influenced their present success ( or lack thereof ), but I really think "student versions" are effective. If MS and other big PC s/w companies didn't also sell educational versions of thei "big guns" like Excel, 3D Studio, and Wordperfect, I would think Apple's market share would be at least slightly bigger than what it is today. College students, be they CS majors or o/w, tend to look for jobs they're qualified for after grduation ( to rephrase that, they usually can ONLY get such jobs ). Much knowledge/skills come from the classroom and labs, but much also come from using one's own PC in one's own free time. Sorry if I sound like some rambling fool. I would love to see a LW student version for different platforms, but if they don't, that's fine too. My 2 cents. From di94vno@pt.hk-r.se Sat Mar 4 10:39:34 PST 1995 Article: 3103 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3103 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!sunic!news.lth.se!news.lu.se!ronneby.hk-r.se!news From: di94vno@pt.hk-r.se (Dimebag) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Test, please ignore Date: 3 Mar 1995 11:25:03 GMT Organization: College University of Karlskrona-Ronneby Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j6uaf$fqj@ronneby.hk-r.se> Reply-To: di94vno@pt.hk-r.se NNTP-Posting-Host: iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se --- Blip blop this is a test. --[:]------------------------------------------------------------------- | __ _ __ _____ Valli Noghin | | ___/ /(_)______ ___ / /__ /__ /_____== Lindblomsv. 130 | | / _ /__ / _ _ \ / _ \ / _ /___/ // _ /== 372 33 RONNEBY | | / // // // // // // ___// // // _ // // /=== tel +46-(0)457-13771 | | / // // // // // // /__ / // // // //__ /==== | | \___// / \//_//_//____//____//____// // /===== >di94vno@pt.hk-r.se< | | \/ \___/ | --------------http://www.pt.hk-r.se/~di94vno/dimebag.html--------------- From gcoulter@dmu.ac.uk Sat Mar 4 10:39:36 PST 1995 Article: 3104 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3104 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uknet!seralph9!dmu!gcoulter From: gcoulter@dmu.ac.uk (Gary Coulter) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: LW Mailing List? Date: 3 Mar 1995 12:23:52 GMT Organization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j71oo$p5c@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.dmu.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi Everyone .... I think this could possibly br a FAQ. but I`m kind of new to this list .... Sorry Guy/Gals Anyway could someone pleaseEmail me with the address to subscribe to the Lightwave mailing list (if there is one) Thanks .... -- -Gary- * ---------------------------------------------------- * Gary Coulter : gary@illusion.demon.co.uk MA Multimedia Design : gcoulter@dmu.ac.uk * ------ DeMontfort University, Leicester, UK. ------- * From des_mcpherson@cl_63smtp_gw.chinalake.navy.mil Sat Mar 4 10:37:44 PST 1995 Article: 3105 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3105 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!blackbird.afit.af.mil!kahuna.asc-yf.wpafb.af.mil!wpdis03.wpafb.af.mil!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!rcp6.elan.af.mil!newshub.nosc.mil! avalon.chinalake.navy.mil!deneb.chinalake.navy.mil!des_mcpherson Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: LW users / NAB prices Message-ID: From: Des McPherson Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 16:11:06 GMT Sender: usenet@avalon.chinalake.navy.mil (NAWS news admin) Organization: nawc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 08:08:40 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.1_68K Mime-Version: 1.0 Lines: 8 I can afford SIGGRAPH I can afford COMDEX I can afford CES But $150 just for exhibits at NAB? Most graphics software for the amiga is less than that... Anyway, is there going to be any "exhibits only" deals sponsored by Avid, Newtek or any other developer for us who would like to attend but would like some money to gamble too... From leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com Sat Mar 4 10:37:50 PST 1995 Article: 3106 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3106 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!caen!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!marbls.enet.dec.com!leimberger From: leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com () Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 3 Mar 1995 13:54:26 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 46 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j772i$5k5@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> References: <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu> <3j2gs9$44k@galaxy.ucr.edu> Reply-To: leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com () NNTP-Posting-Host: marbls.enet.dec.com In article <3j2gs9$44k@galaxy.ucr.edu>, bhoffman@valverde.edu (Brian Hoffman) writes: |>Path: | nntpd.lkg.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.r reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!newsh host.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.e edu!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!usenet |>From: bhoffman@valverde.edu (Brian Hoffman) |>Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave |>Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave |>Date: 1 Mar 1995 19:11:05 GMT |>Organization: University of California, Riverside |>Lines: 30 |>Distribution: world |>Message-ID: <3j2gs9$44k@galaxy.ucr.edu> |>References: <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu> |>Reply-To: all |>NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.233.11.70 |> |>In article <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu> dave@melmac.umd.edu (Dave) |>writes: |>Now you or I might just say that 3DS is vastly overpriced compared to |>|>Lightwave, but there is a large educational market out there that is |>|>convinced that a $2400 program MUST be better than a $700 program, |>|>especially if you only have to pay $700 for that $2400 program. We |>|>can call them stupid or uninformed, but Newtek needs their |>business. |> Gee, it sounds like the large educational market is not very educated. As the professional market grows so will LW's popularity in other markets. I say sell it to them for $995.00, and it's a steal at that price. Lets put education in perspective ! As it stands today I consider this market as much of a business as any other market. They lost special status in my eyes a long time ago. You can argu that giving this market a break will open new doors for LW, but I look at it as LW opening new doors for the Educational market. If their to dumb to hear the knock on the door then why assume they will hear ir at any price. Charge 200.00 and you could argu "It can't be very good or it would sell for more". LW can stand on it's merit. How good can the the education community be if they arn't savvy enough to follow the market they teach to ? |> |> From bill@denwa.info.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:16 PST 1995 Article: 3107 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3107 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!netcomsv!denwa.info.com!not-for-mail From: bill@denwa.info.com (Bill Cerny) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: NewTek Web Server Date: 2 Mar 1995 11:50:28 -0800 Organization: Info Connections, San Diego, California Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3j57i4$s0o@denwa.info.com> References: <3is846$8gn@edf3.der.edf.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.info.com Keywords: net connection broken In article <3is846$8gn@edf3.der.edf.fr> bardet@cli52ab.der.edf.fr writes: >Has anybody tried to connect to NewTek Web Site. >I can't any more. NewTek cancelled it's Internet connection with the amateur ISP they were using. The new net connection (vitamin fortified frame relay!) will be up in about 10 days; an interim dial-up connection will be up as soon as the router box does its dial backup thing. -- Bill Cerny (BC174) Squeezing dialtone from silicon... From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Mar 4 10:39:13 PST 1995 Article: 3108 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com rec.video.desktop:4138 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3108 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: rec.video.desktop,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Amiga-Amiga-Mac TCP-IP Network, Any Experiences? Date: 3 Mar 1995 14:13:22 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3j7862$laf@beta.inc.net> References: <3j4ug1$b91@linda.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: debbie.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3j4ug1$b91@linda.teleport.com>, downinit@teleport.com (DMetcalfe) says: >As I understand it, AmiTCP4.0Demo is a client only. The PowerMac's not >here yet, (you try to get your hands on an 8100 right now), so I don't >know if MacTCP is server capable or what the Ethernet port actually uses >(10-Base-T, 10-Base-2, Thicknet?). Probably thin net, then maybe a thicknet, too. The TCP/IP software once known as beta-2 AS225 from Commodore included an NFS server. >What are my chances of getting the Mac to act as a server to the 2 Amigas > NFS or some other filesystem? Is there a better way? I know >Enlan's the way to go on a Amiga-Amiga net, but I really want that Mac >available also. I think there are commercial NFS server packages for the Mac, but they might be relatively costly, like $200-400. There's also the possibility that you could use DECnet protocol to link them, since Enlan was DECnet compatible, and Syndesis once sold TSSnet, another DECnet for the Amiga, which is now sold by Thunder Ridge. Then you'd need DECnet software for the Mac side, too. But if you thought TCP/IP was a nightmare, you don't want to configure DECnet, it's very DEC-centric. If you throw a PC and WinNT in the mix, there is a freeware NFS server for WinNT. WinNT Server (more expensive than straight WinNT) includes AppleShare abilities which would mount the Mac drives on the PC, and I think vice-versa. If someone ever ports Samba server to the Amiga, you could export the Amiga drives as PC drives, and share then with the Mac, too. From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Mar 4 10:38:49 PST 1995 Article: 3109 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3109 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 on a PowerMac running NT?!? Date: 3 Mar 1995 14:20:37 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3j78jl$laf@beta.inc.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: debbie.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article , ladic@cs.ubc.ca (Lance Ladic) says: > >I just received some e-mail from Microsoft's Developers' Mailing List where, >buried amongst some other extraneous info., it was mentioned that Windows NT >is now (soon to be) available for PowerMacs. Unless I have totally missed >what has been going on in this group, I understand that Lightwave 4.0 will run >under Win/NT. It would therefore follow that Lightwave 4.0 may/will run on a >PowerMac. I'm not sure what you're hoping for... WinNT runs on several hardware platforms, but what I think you want is an executable of LightWave that's been compiled for any one of those platforms. If and when WinNT appears on other new hardware (SGI MIPS, PowerMac, etc.), then NewTek has to decide to port (re-compile) LightWave for that platform, based on speed advantages and market demand, I'm sure. So far, it looks like WinNT on any platform has included a Win16 emulator of Intel executables, which lets you run old-style Windows applications compiled for Intel hardware on any WinNT machine. You don't want to run LightWave in emulation, you'll lose any speed advantage. Also, LightWave is a Win32s application, which means it doesn't run under the emulator. From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Mar 4 10:38:15 PST 1995 Article: 3110 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3110 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 3 Mar 1995 14:28:08 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3j791o$laf@beta.inc.net> References: <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <3j5iq8$2kt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: debbie.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3j5iq8$2kt@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) says: >>Remember the Apple example. Apple practically gave away their IIe to >>schools and universities. That giveaway was the best thing Apple ever >>did, aside from their Logo design. >I've heard this arguement many many times before - please explain why >Apple hasn't improved it's market share ever if this was such a brilliant >plan? "Wow, so this is how the big side-hacking crze got its start!" - Joel Educational give-aways encourage wasteful spending and stupid decisions, and foster students who spend more time looking for give-aways and discounts than learning their craft... On the other hand, educational give-aways have helped build Autodesk into a dominant position. Some of it was luck, too. It's a lesson similar to Novell: AutoCAD was difficult to use, so it required heavy dealer support, which led to a need for training, which led to your local commuter college offering courses in AutoCAD, which led to university discounts, which led to Autodesk having too much cash, which led to them blowing cash on Project Xanadu, VR projects, HyperChem, etc. and they're stilling handing out lots of cash to foster 3D Studio sales, just check out their annual report. So I propose that NewTek make LightWave even more difficult to use, because that'll help them sell more LightWave. From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Mar 4 10:38:39 PST 1995 Article: 3111 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3111 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 on a PowerMac running NT?!? Date: 3 Mar 1995 14:31:09 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3j797d$laf@beta.inc.net> References: <3j1ajt$8au@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: debbie.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3j1ajt$8au@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, spnigel@ix.netcom.com (Scott Nigel) says: >Microsoft and Apple are in the arena right now sluggin' it out. I would not >want some "undocumented" call to prevent me from runnin NT/LW3D on PowerMac >efficiently. NT is definitely the way to go. Its even been written that you Another interesting possibility is the PC-hosted Mac cross-compiler for Visual C, which should be out soon. You take the same code you used for WinNT Intel/MIPS/Alpha, and create an executable that runs on a 68000-based Macintosh. Not all Windows functions are implemented, and we'd have to demand several hours of the programmer's time to determine whether the functions they used in LightWave/Modeler are available in the cross-compiler environment. From stranahan@aol.com Sat Mar 4 10:38:05 PST 1995 Article: 3112 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3112 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csulb.edu!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!ratatosk.yggdrasil.com!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 2 Mar 1995 18:02:32 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 20 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3j5iq8$2kt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com ----------------- Remember the Apple example. Apple practically gave away their IIe to schools and universities. That giveaway was the best thing Apple ever did, aside from their Logo design. Students who move into the marketplace will want to use familiar tools. Many of them will be going into industries where 3D animation is a new concept. Their new bosses will defer to their judgement and Lightwave will NOT be the winner. ----------------- I've heard this arguement many many times before - please explain why Apple hasn't improved it's market share ever if this was such a brilliant plan? _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan (This company name space available!) "You find one in every car. You'll see." From bitlord@delphi.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:38 PST 1995 Article: 3113 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3113 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Alexis Delgado Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Does Video Quality od DEMOREEL matter to Employers? Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:13:06 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1d.delphi.com Hello all, While I have my own company now, I would still love to go work for a companies like LuscasFilm, Disney, or Amblin. I am putting together a DEMOREEL, I feel that the stuff is quite good. But the actuall video quality isn't so hot, (not broadcast) If the content is kick ass, but the video quality is poor would it matter to them. Do companies like these expect you to use your own equipment, or would I just be using theirs? If that is the case I guess I'll have to go out and get a better deck. From diamondp@aol.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:26 PST 1995 Article: 3114 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3114 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!ratatosk.yggdrasil.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: diamondp@aol.com (DiamondP) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: LW Amiga/PC compatability Date: 2 Mar 1995 19:37:25 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 2 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3j5oc5$41t@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: diamondp@aol.com (DiamondP) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Can anyone tell me if LW amiga & LW PC files are compatable, particularly scene files? From all Sat Mar 4 10:39:20 PST 1995 Article: 3115 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3115 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!usenet From: bhoffman@valverde.edu (Brian Hoffman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Buying a PC for Lightwave Date: 3 Mar 1995 17:43:42 GMT Organization: University of California, Riverside Lines: 35 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j7kge$geg@galaxy.ucr.edu> References: Reply-To: all NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.233.11.70 In article wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) writes: > Anybody know how this design difference would affect rendering? I > have read a little about this new chipset, and I got the impression > that the benefit would be primarily in running a GUI. Running a > GUI faster shouldn't necessarily mean faster renderings does it? > Faster interface response is always good, but I don't see it as an > overriding factor. For me the main question is: does it render > faster? If this chipset does, then the wait may be worthwhile. > Otherwise . . . I would be very suprised if the new Triton chipset motherboards did not improve rendering speed. I don't know all the details, but my understanding is that the older Neptune chipset was not as efficient as the Triton chipset in its bus arbitration/utilization. In addition, the Triton chipset allows the use of newer, more efficient secondary caching schemes. Triton also allows the use of a new kind of ram (EDO RAM) that has its own seperate caching. (I recall some quotes saying this RAM has an effective speed of 15 ns.) The net effect of all these improvements is fewer wait states, which should allow all complex programs to run faster, not just the GUI. Of course I guess we won't know for sure until somebody gets their hands on one of these machines and does some Lightwave renders for comparison. (The Micron Millenium I spoke of in an earlier post has BOTH the improved secondary cache and EDO RAM. Since most of the new motherboards will allow the use of EDO RAM or standard RAM, some of the new systems may not come with EDO RAM. I don't know how this would effect their performance.) -Brian Hoffman (bhoffman@valverde.edu) From sjg@world.std.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:40 PST 1995 Article: 3116 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3116 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!sjg From: sjg@world.std.com (Stephen J Gaudet) Subject: Re: LW in SGI or LW in DEC-Alpha? Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3itc57$icq@mailer.fsu.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:23:22 GMT Lines: 44 Hello Edgar / Paul : : My question is simple, : : Does anyone know yet wich platform will run LW faster. SGI (Indy or : : Indigo2) or DEC-Alpha (275 Mhz)? : : Also what are the differences between the two versions? : : Edgar Febres : : Produccion Assistant : : Multimedia Labs : : Florida State University : Well... the Alpha is the fastest processor you can buy ;-) : The SGI boxes use a MIPS 4400, 4600, or the Power Indigo's use the 8000 : (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). : My partner, Mark Thopson, said that the word from Jason Linhart(sp?) at : NewTek is that the Alpha version of LW 4.0 blows away the Indy. : This is the main reason that we went with the Alpha. Also, the Alpha : seems to be a very rugged chip. We have successfully had ours clocked up : to 300MHz with no problems whatsoever. : Paul Griswold At this time we (Nekotech) have a few Mach 1-233's in the field that are smoking MIP's 4600/200 systems, running LW 4.0 for Alpha. Furthermore, they're low cost Alpha boxes starting at $4995.00 complete. Cheers Steve ________________________________________________________________ | Stephen Gaudet | Manufacture of Digital Alpha based | | NekoTech / Inco | systems w/ PCI running NT, OSF & VMS| | 102 Tide Mill Rd Suite 6 | speeds ranging from 166 to 289MHz. | | Hampton, NH 03842-2705 |-------------------------------------| | ph:800-635-6895 fax:603-926-0301 e-mail:sjg@world.std.com | ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dingebre@xmission.xmission.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:30 PST 1995 Article: 3117 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3117 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.xmission.com!xmission!dingebre From: dingebre@xmission.xmission.com (David Ingebretsen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: If Amiga dies forever.. Date: 3 Mar 1995 02:51:18 GMT Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3j6076$sdl@news.xmission.com> References: <3h8ue8$5vj@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Theo Savidis (Theo.Savidis@lpul.slu.se) wrote: : Whaddyamean IF? It's already dead C'mon guys. Why bait antagonism? It serves nothing. My system still makes me money today and will tomorrow. Let's move on to useful stuff... -- David David M. Ingebretsen *** Binary Illusions / 3D Physics *** dingebre@xmission.xmission.com *** Animation and more *** From djmccoy@Primenet.Com Sat Mar 4 10:39:37 PST 1995 Article: 3118 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3118 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!hookup!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!djmccoy From: djmccoy@Primenet.Com (Daniel J. McCoy) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Mailing List? Date: 3 Mar 1995 19:31:05 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3j7qpp$f2v@news.primenet.com> References: <3j71oo$p5c@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com In article <3j71oo$p5c@macondo.dmu.ac.uk>, Gary Coulter wrote: >Hi Everyone .... > >I think this could possibly br a FAQ. but I`m kind of new >to this list .... Sorry Guy/Gals > >Anyway could someone pleaseEmail me with the address to subscribe >to the Lightwave mailing list (if there is one) Thanks .... You can subscribe to the Lightwave mailing list by sending mail to the listserv@netcom.com. In the body of the message, include the following: subscribe lightwave-l end Ie: subscribe lightwave-l djmccoy@primenet.com end That's it. Currently, the mailing list is still on Netcom. My alternate (I should say primary) IP has agreed to allow me to run the mailing lists there. They run a newer version of MajorDomo that allows for things like digests. I'm hoping to get that going very shorthly. Dan -- Daniel J. McCoy BIX: dmccoy // Internet: djmccoy@primenet.com, djmccoy@netcom.com, dan@acti.com \X/ From ashafer@uop.cs.uop.edu Sat Mar 4 10:39:43 PST 1995 Article: 3119 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3119 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!uop.cs.uop.edu!ashafer From: ashafer@uop.cs.uop.edu (Drewl) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: comp.graphics.packadges.lightwave Date: 3 Mar 1995 20:53:04 GMT Organization: University of the Pacific Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3j7vjg$4ba@unix1.cc.uop.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uop.cs.uop.edu Summary: LW Ftpsites? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Could somebody point me to some good LightWave FTP sites thanks _Ant ashafer@uop.edu From Jcjones@cris.com Sat Mar 4 10:38:17 PST 1995 Article: 3120 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3120 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!natinst.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!usenet-admin From: "Jeffrey C. Jones" Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 3 Mar 1995 20:19:09 GMT Organization: Concentric Research Corporation Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3j7tjt$8pq@warp.cris.com> References: <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <3j5iq8$2kt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crc5.cris.com ----------------- Remember the Apple example. Apple practically gave away their IIe to schools and universities. That giveaway was the best thing Apple ever did, aside from their Logo design. Students who move into the marketplace will want to use familiar tools. Many of them will be going into industries where 3D animation is a new concept. Their new bosses will defer to their judgement and Lightwave will NOT be the winner. ----------------- stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) wrote: I've heard this arguement many many times before - please explain why Apple hasn't improved it's market share ever if this was such a brilliant plan? ----------------- Lee, This plan worked great with the Apple IIs. Alot of families bought one. Then apple released the Mac and priced themselves out of the average home market and have had to play catch up. But remeber, being the number 2 computer manufacturer with your, until just a couple of months ago, propriatary OS isn't to shabby. Jeff Jones Jcjones@cris.com From videoman@netcom.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:21 PST 1995 Article: 3121 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3121 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!videoman From: videoman@netcom.com Subject: Re: Buying a PC for Lightwave Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3j7kge$geg@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:53:20 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: videoman@netcom14.netcom.com bhoffman@valverde.edu (Brian Hoffman) writes: >secondary caching schemes. Triton also allows the use of a new kind >of ram (EDO RAM) that has its own seperate caching. (I recall some >quotes saying this RAM has an effective speed of 15 ns.) A lot of people have been doing this: EDO Ram and ED Ram are diffrent!! EDRam (used on a 486 motherboard) combines fast "cashe" and normal ram on a chip.. the more ram you add the more cashe. EDO is Extended Data Out. It is not the same, and exactly how it is a speed up is more tech than I can explane. FYI the board maker ASUS has a triton based MB avalable NOW :) -- -== When Dreams Become Reality ==- -= IM Design=- videoman@netcom.com Video Production videoman@cyberspace.org 3D Graphics & DTP From jmacleod@unixg.ubc.ca Sat Mar 4 10:38:50 PST 1995 Article: 3122 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3122 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!jmacleod From: jmacleod@unixg.ubc.ca (James Douglas MacLeod) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Why bother with a PowerMac version? Date: 4 Mar 1995 01:58:42 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3j8hgi$gsh@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <3j78jl$laf@beta.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Considering the only problem is Apple, not having NT run onw their systems, why bother making an NT port? Eventualy NT should run on PPC Macs, so why bother putting the time in to port it, when they could be making the NT version of it better? As far as I can tell, they should be complaining that NT does not run on the PPC macs, and not asking newtek to port the software. It is apple that is selling inflated expensive proprietary systems, not Newtek witholding good software from Mac users. Yell at apple, not newtek. :) From tom@bus.olemiss.edu Sat Mar 4 10:39:41 PST 1995 Article: 3123 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3123 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu!tom From: tom@bus.olemiss.edu (Tom Coleman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: MSoftimage educational price $1000. Ouch! Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:49:18 Organization: Univ of Mississippi Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I just noticed a post on Alias's group stating that MS is offerin the base Softimage package for $1000.00 plus $250.00 a year support. The MicroSoft monster appears hungry. I wonder what the educational NT version will run? From stranahan@aol.com Sat Mar 4 10:38:19 PST 1995 Article: 3124 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3124 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 3 Mar 1995 21:16:27 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 28 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3j8ihr$ktl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3j7tjt$8pq@warp.cris.com> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Ok, let me make my point on this really clear. First off, I am in favor of educational pricing for LW. I am in favor of anything that increases LW's market share. That is that. However, educational sales do NOT translate into business sales in way thats ever been shown. First off, technology changes too quickly. Second, people who graduate college don't get to pick which systems they use, generally - they use what is on the desk in front when they show up for orientation. Apple's numbers do not reflect any growth at all due to the 'people get them and then want to use them after college' theory. Finally, Apple is NOT the 'number two' seller of systems. Dell or IBM or Gateway or Compaq or one of 9 other companies is that. The top computer sellers are all PC compatible sellers - Apple is a bit down the list. And Apple's market share has not increased - and to clear up the incorrect info presented earlier - Mac's are NOT a 'new system', they predate PCs in most ways. Apple had a big headstart and blew it...this sometimes happens to companies if they have a system has is an island on itself and they don't adapt quickly enough - other companies catch up and eventually beat them. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan (This company name space available!) "You find one in every car. You'll see." From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Mar 4 10:39:50 PST 1995 Article: 3125 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3125 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW networking/novell question Date: 4 Mar 1995 02:31:30 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3j8je2$pr3@beta.inc.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kate.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article , Dave Gilinsky says: > >On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Tom Coleman wrote: > >> I'm wondering if it is possible to render across a Novell network using a P5 >> NT host machine networked to about 60 486s running windows? If so will it be >> possible to have the frames all save to a common drive (such as a PAR drive >> on the host P5)? >> > >If you added a TCP/IP protocol stack and the ScreamerNet software to all >your Windows (with Win32s extensions) and NT machines, you could "render >across" your network and save all your frames on the 8 Amigas required to >control the rendering activities of the 60 ScreamerNet CPUs. If you added Does anyone really know how networked rendering will work in the new LightWave/Win? If it's dependent on a shared filesystem, you'd need the Novell client software for the Amiga and the Novell host software on a server, right, or the equivalent? The old LW/Screamernet used TCP/IP, 'ftp' and 'rcp' to move files from place to place. From dma@mcs.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:51 PST 1995 Article: 3126 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3126 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!usenet From: Dan Ablan Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Super Geek Date: 4 Mar 1995 02:55:34 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3j8kr7$ej@News1.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dma.pr.mcs.net Not that this has anything to do with LightWave, but... I just picked up an Apple Newton Message Pad thing today for under $200. It's really pretty cool, and it can link to either a PC or Mac. It's my most latest and coolest toy... until LightWave 4.0 and an Alpha, and I'm oh so proud. Get me a pocket protector, and I'm all set. Thank you. -dan From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sat Mar 4 10:38:24 PST 1995 Article: 3127 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3127 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 4 Mar 1995 02:52:30 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3j8kle$pr3@beta.inc.net> References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kate.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article , Ernie Wright says: > >> With the actual cost of a box of software ($25 tops) ... > >The "actual cost" of software has to include the number of manhours >burned to write, market and support it, and it has to account for the >number of buyers. Is the "actual cost" of an animation somewhere near >the price of a VHS cassette? > >Whatever the merits of an educational discount, it should be understood >that it would mean trading away a lot of income (salaries, jobs, office >space and equipment, and merited compensation to the programmers) in >exchange for market share. How many animators out there are giving >huge educational discounts? Do you think NewTek's financial pain >threshold is any higher than yours? Not only that, but so much more! A valuable thought experiment: Think about the kind of advertisements you like, where you'd like to see them, how often you'd like to see them; which trade shows you think are important, what kind of booth and how many people you'd like to see in it; what hours you'd like to be able to get tech support, and what skills you'd like those tech people to have; how many programmers should be working on a product, how many receptionists should the company have... then try to put a cost on each of these items, an attractive salary, benefits you'd like yourself, it goes on and on... then add a certain amount for profit and return on investment with all that capital equipment you had to buy to support all those people, and then divide it by the cost of the product times the number of copies it might sell. From keatah@aol.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:53 PST 1995 Article: 3128 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3128 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: keatah@aol.com (Keatah) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: PC hardware from newtek. Date: 3 Mar 1995 23:51:06 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 5 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3j8rjq$net@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: keatah@aol.com (Keatah) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com The toaster/flyer being a wonderful combination on amiga; I would imagine some sort of similar hardware is being developed on the PC?? I don't think I'd invest in Amiga hardware (read as dying machine). Someone bring me up to speed in this matter ? From kermit@infi.net Sat Mar 4 10:39:48 PST 1995 Article: 3129 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3129 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!larry!kermit From: kermit@infi.net (Kermit Woodall) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Creating MPEGs Date: 4 Mar 1995 05:09:14 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3j8slq$11q@lucy.infi.net> References: <3j867h$9r0@crl.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: larry.infi.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Carl Johnson (cjohnson@crl.com) wrote: : Can anyone tell me how to create an MPEG movie on an AMiga.? ImageFX 2.0 comes with an easy-to-use MPEG encoder to make MPEG movies with. Kermit Woodall Nova Design, Inc. Kermit@cup.portal.com -- From bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu Sat Mar 4 10:39:27 PST 1995 Article: 3130 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3130 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!news.eecs.uic.edu!bert.eecs.uic.edu!bdupras From: bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Brian Dupras) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Amiga/PC compatability Date: 3 Mar 1995 19:58:21 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3j7scu$3cd@news.eecs.uic.edu> References: <3j5oc5$41t@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bert.eecs.uic.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] DiamondP (diamondp@aol.com) wrote: > Can anyone tell me if LW amiga & LW PC files are compatable, particularly > scene files? Yes - sort of. The concern I have is filename conventions. The scene file is a plain text file with the paths to the objects and the images contained within it. If your scene has "DH0:/LW/Images/TextureMaps/Marble.001.iff, this could pose a problem on the PC. First, what's DH0? What's "/" mean? What's "TextureMaps" (not 8.3 filename stuff)? What's "Marble.001.iff" (again, not 8.3)? Assuming this file location problem is solved ingeniously by Alan and Stu (or by Syndesis or another 3rd party LW developer), you won't have to do your own scene conversion. If you want to do it manually, you can bring into a text editor and replace all the paths by hand (or write a small program to do it). Brian bdupras@bert.eecs.uic.edu From jduncan@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Sat Mar 4 10:38:26 PST 1995 Article: 3131 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3131 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!bubba.ucc.okstate.edu!news From: James Duncan Davidson Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 4 Mar 1995 07:36:47 GMT Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3j95af$ue2@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Ernie Wright wrote: > > > With the actual cost of a box of software ($25 tops) ... > > The "actual cost" of software has to include the number of manhours I understand your point. What I was referring to was the "concrete" cost of the software package -- not including the intangibles such as programmer time, etc. What I am trying to say is that it is a good idea to trade a reduced profit margin (by selling an academic package at ~$200) for an increased use in the educational market -- and getting some money back by having *legal* copies in that marketplace rather than zero money on the pirate copies. Beleive me, as a design student, I recognize that one should not give their product away for free -- as I am so often asked to do when I try to do work in the world (yeah kid, come work for me, I'll pay ya .50 more than the kid working at Burger King, and I'll screw you over....) My bottom line is that if you don't sell to the academic market place at a rate that takes into consideration the realities of that market place, you are going to end up with zillions of pirate copies floating around and tons of people asking basic questions in this forum. Questions that can be better answered in the manuals -- which those pirate owners don't have. Like I've said here before -- Almost every copy of Microstation in use by a student here at the School of Architecture at OSU is legal (I only know of one person who has it illegally -- and I won't help him out... :-) Yet out of the 20 or more people who I know that have AutoCAD -- *very few* of them has a legal copy. This is changing now that autodesk is dropping their prices. But almost every person who has an illegal copy of Acad also has a pirate version of 3DS. It would be better for a software manufacturer to have *legal* copies that they did not make very much money off of -- but to have people who respect the legality of their software, than to have zillions of pirate copies of a program owned by people who have no respect for the system and will encourage further copying of the software out in the marketplace. ::rant mode off:: james From jduncan@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Sat Mar 4 10:37:58 PST 1995 Article: 3132 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3132 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!bubba.ucc.okstate.edu!news From: James Duncan Davidson Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 4 Mar 1995 07:42:44 GMT Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3j95lk$ue2@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> References: <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu> <3j4n2h$qfu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Ernie Wright wrote: > Pffft. "Students" don't drive any industry, and those who are learning > only one tool will be poorly equipped for real life. Every student that has taken the 3D Studio class here and who has gone on into the real world into jobs where their employers say "hey, we need to get on this 3D modeling and rendering thing" has ended up turning those firms into 3DStudio shops. Why? Their employers know that these people know how to run 3DStudio (it's on their resume) and they know that they don't have to wait around for them to learn it... So they take the easiest way out for their pocket-books. Less training time, less cost. If an employer can use a skill that an employee knows over the cost of re-training that employee (and the weeks of "unproductive" time), they will, no matter what is the "best" way to go. From jduncan@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Sat Mar 4 10:38:21 PST 1995 Article: 3133 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3133 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!bubba.ucc.okstate.edu!news From: James Duncan Davidson Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 4 Mar 1995 07:53:12 GMT Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3j9698$ue2@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> References: <3j7tjt$8pq@warp.cris.com> <3j8ihr$ktl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) wrote: > First off, I am in favor of educational pricing for LW. I am in favor of > anything that increases LW's market share. That is that. Yeah!!! > However, educational sales do NOT translate into business sales in way > thats ever been shown. First off, technology changes too quickly. Second, > people who graduate college don't get to pick which systems they use, > generally - they use what is on the desk in front when they show up for > orientation. If you are going into a firm with an established tradition of using a particular system and package, yes -- I have to concurr. But if that student goes into a firm which is just moving into that technology, then that student (especially in a small beusiness) will have a major infulence on what gets used. Last summer (as an intern) I persuaded a small office to dump the *illegal* copies of the software that they were using (AutoCAD) and pickup and use *legal* copies of software that would make them a better, more productive company (in this case, Microstation). Basically they were stupid and ignorant of the ways of decent computer use and it took a 3rd year college student to talk his ass off to tell them that they *had* to the right thing. (and this to people who were designers themselves and should know what value a creative endeavor such as a software program has... ) My one purchase of software at $150 equalled 2 (and eventually more) purchases of software at well over $6000. A bit of direct translation here...:-) > Apple had a big headstart and blew it They sure did...:-) But for a very long time, they had the rosiest profit margin in the industry -- even while blowing it in the long run... But that's a whole 'nuther story. James Davidson From jduncan@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Sat Mar 4 10:39:42 PST 1995 Article: 3134 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3134 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!bubba.ucc.okstate.edu!news From: James Duncan Davidson Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: MSoftimage educational price $1000. Ouch! Date: 4 Mar 1995 07:54:53 GMT Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3j96cd$ue2@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu tom@bus.olemiss.edu (Tom Coleman) wrote: > I just noticed a post on Alias's group stating that MS is offerin the base > Softimage package for $1000.00 plus $250.00 a year support. The MicroSoft > monster appears hungry. I wonder what the educational NT version will run? Actually, educational pricing on Windows 3.5 Workstation is $144 on CD-ROM. And other Universities not so eager to make a profit on it have it for $120 or so. From cjohnson@crl.com Sat Mar 4 10:39:46 PST 1995 Article: 3135 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3135 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: cjohnson@crl.com (Carl Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Creating MPEGs Date: 3 Mar 1995 14:46:09 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3j867h$9r0@crl.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Can anyone tell me how to create an MPEG movie on an AMiga.? I have ADPro as my image processing software. Thanks, Carl From ernie@gaspra.pd.com Sat Mar 4 10:38:23 PST 1995 Article: 3136 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3136 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csulb.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornell!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!gaspra.pd.com!ernie From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:44:55 -0700 Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> > With the actual cost of a box of software ($25 tops) ... The "actual cost" of software has to include the number of manhours burned to write, market and support it, and it has to account for the number of buyers. Is the "actual cost" of an animation somewhere near the price of a VHS cassette? Whatever the merits of an educational discount, it should be understood that it would mean trading away a lot of income (salaries, jobs, office space and equipment, and merited compensation to the programmers) in exchange for market share. How many animators out there are giving huge educational discounts? Do you think NewTek's financial pain threshold is any higher than yours? - Ernie From ernie@gaspra.pd.com Sat Mar 4 10:37:57 PST 1995 Article: 3137 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3137 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!math.arizona.edu!noao!ncar!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!gaspra.pd.com!ernie From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:55:39 -0700 Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu> <3j4n2h$qfu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j4n2h$qfu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> > Students who move into the marketplace will want to use familiar tools. > Many of them will be going into industries where 3D animation is a new > concept. Their new bosses will defer to their judgement and Lightwave > will NOT be the winner. Pffft. "Students" don't drive any industry, and those who are learning only one tool will be poorly equipped for real life. - Ernie From ernie@gaspra.pd.com Sat Mar 4 10:37:52 PST 1995 Article: 3138 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3138 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!math.arizona.edu!noao!ncar!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!gaspra.pd.com!ernie From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:00:58 -0700 Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3j0t19$174@umd5.umd.edu> <3j2gs9$44k@galaxy.ucr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j2gs9$44k@galaxy.ucr.edu> > Now you or I might just say that 3DS is vastly overpriced compared to > Lightwave, but there is a large educational market out there that is > convinced that a $2400 program MUST be better than a $700 program, > especially if you only have to pay $700 for that $2400 program. We > can call them stupid or uninformed, but Newtek needs their business. Okay, they're stupid and uninformed, and as I've said, this comes as no surprise to me. But I still haven't heard why the logical response wouldn't be to triple the price of LightWave. - Ernie From wturber@primenet.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:02 PST 1995 Article: 3139 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3139 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip004.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 04:41:41 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3j7tjt$8pq@warp.cris.com> <3j8ihr$ktl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip004.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3j8ihr$ktl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) writes: >From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) >Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave >Date: 3 Mar 1995 21:16:27 -0500 [snip] >info presented earlier - Mac's are NOT a 'new system', they predate PCs in>most ways. Apple had a big headstart and blew it...this sometimes happens>to companies if they have a system has is an island on itself and they>don't adapt quickly enough - other companies catch up and eventually beat>them. >_____________________________________________ >Lee Stranahan >(This company name space available!) >"You find one in every car. You'll see." VHS v. Sony Beta is a prime example of a good product that wasn't marketed well. Apple has spent the last decade acting like Sony acted with Beta. Ya just gotta license that technology and hit all 'o the price points. _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From mhatter@teleport.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:15 PST 1995 Article: 3140 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3140 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: mhatter@teleport.com (Steve Herring) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Post Flyer Wish Lists HERE! Date: 4 Mar 1995 04:37:40 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3j9muk$knc@linda.teleport.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: linda.teleport.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Ok, I'd like to add a couple of things to the little "wish list." I guess I'm more interested in using the Flyer to do low-cost special effects for video productions. So, I'd like to see the ability to take rgb frames and build VTASC clips out of them from a simple to use utility. I'd also like to see some utitility to break any VTASC clip into single rgb frames. And another thing which I KNOW they're working on, but it just doesn't seem to get here fast enough - the ability to KEY CG over Flyer video. :) That's all that I can think of although the other ideas sound cool too! -Steve From mcpeepers@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:17 PST 1995 Article: 3141 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3141 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mcpeepers@aol.com (MCPEEPERS) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: To those who are leaving the Amiga! Date: 4 Mar 1995 07:55:09 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 29 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: mcpeepers@aol.com (MCPEEPERS) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Hi folks. I was writing a friend in Singapore an e-mail about my Amiga system when I hit on a few points that I just had to share with the rest of those who are leaving the Amiga behind. It's a helpful reminder to you animators who put the high priced budget before the storytelling: begin; I'm using an Amiga 2000 3.1 w/68040/030 mhz 16mb, Spectrum 24-bit board and 2mb chip ram......so I built this system up from a stock 2.04 2000 at $650 last year April......Since everyone is bailing out on the Amiga, I can get a lot of used equipment for cheap. Everyone is running off to the PC. I still think, no matter what, the Amiga (was??) is the best system for animation since celluloid. The bailing out is an advantage to me. It can still do excellent animation....I wonder why everyone is jumping ship? That's the problem with people these days. Always afraid of not being able to take part of what's new or standard instead of getting the job done. The Amiga, even when the whole world has turned PC, will ALWAYS get the job done. Especially if one has the imagination behind it. I don't need a faster PC (NT, Pentium, whatever those things are. I hate PC's personally.) regardless of the 66 mhz. The bottom line is whose animation will look better. That's when I come in with my Amiga. ;) Quality animation is not in the machine, but the man/woman behind the machine. At the price, the Amiga, now more than ever, is the only way to go. end; Any comments? From yarrick@primenet.com Sun Mar 5 21:42:53 PST 1995 Article: 3142 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3142 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!yarrick From: yarrick@primenet.com (Eric Soulvie) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Sony EVO-9650 Date: 4 Mar 1995 03:56:15 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3j8ocv$9lj@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr3.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I am currently looking at purchasing a new animation recorder and am considering Sony EVO-9650. Does anyone have any information about this recorder? Does anyone know where I can find one at a good price? -Yarrick From eld@netcom.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:17 PST 1995 Article: 3143 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3143 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!eld From: eld@netcom.com (Eric Davis) Subject: Re: ***Lightwave for NT/SGI is here at last!!!!!*** Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:22:55 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: eld@netcom11.netcom.com ShadowPC (shadow@shade.com) wrote: : We just got our new Lightwave for NT yesterday and it's great! We have it : running on our SGI's and Alphas and a few Pentiums! It screams! We really : like it alot. Much better than Alias and SoftImage, which we were using. This guy is lying, there is no official release for either product yet. -- -->ericd<--------------------------------------------------------------------- eld@netcom.com <---> ambient, unix, mac, denver, graphics, interface, 3-D -------------------BEEF: It's what's for dinner------------------------------- From dave@melmac.umd.edu Sun Mar 5 21:43:21 PST 1995 Article: 3144 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3144 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!melmac!dave From: dave@melmac.umd.edu (Dave) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: To those who are leaving the Amiga! Date: 4 Mar 1995 16:56:57 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3ja64p$dig@umd5.umd.edu> References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: melmac.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] MCPEEPERS (mcpeepers@aol.com) wrote: : Hi folks. : I was writing a friend in Singapore an e-mail about my Amiga system when I : hit on a few points that I just had to share with the rest of those who : are leaving the Amiga behind. It's a helpful reminder to you animators who : put the high priced budget before the storytelling: : begin; : I'm using an Amiga 2000 3.1 w/68040/030 mhz 16mb, Spectrum 24-bit board : and 2mb chip ram......so I built this system up from a stock 2.04 2000 at : $650 last year April......Since everyone is bailing out on the Amiga, I : can get a lot of used equipment for cheap. Everyone is running off to the : PC. I still think, no matter what, the Amiga (was??) is the best system : for animation since celluloid. The bailing out is an advantage to me. It : can still do excellent animation....I wonder why everyone is jumping ship? : That's the problem with people these days. Always afraid of not being able : to take part of what's new or standard instead of getting the job done. : The Amiga, even when the whole world has turned PC, will ALWAYS get the : job done. Especially if one has the imagination behind it. I don't need a : faster PC (NT, Pentium, whatever those things are. I hate PC's : personally.) regardless of the 66 mhz. The bottom line is whose animation : will look better. That's when I come in with my Amiga. ;) Quality : animation is not in the machine, but the man/woman behind the machine. At : the price, the Amiga, now more than ever, is the only way to go. : end; : Any comments? I own several Amigas of different configurations. My main machine is a 2000 GVP040/33Mhz 64MB ram Toaster,Firecracker,ethernet,Studio16 etc. I also own a Dell Pentium and an Aspen Alpha machine. I'm not bailing out at all. I'll continue to use my Amigas as long as they last, and as long as the software I want and need is available for them. But for anyone who uses Amigas to make money in the animation business it is wise to start moving to other platforms since I don't think anyone will argue that the future prospects for the Amiga look bleek. I know many others you are proceeding in much the same fashion and none 'wanted' to leave Amigas behind but Amigas are being left behind. Dave Paige dave@melmac.umd.edu From tom@bus.olemiss.edu Sun Mar 5 21:43:08 PST 1995 Article: 3145 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3145 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu!tom From: tom@bus.olemiss.edu (Tom Coleman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: MSoftimage educational price $1000. Ouch! Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 10:37:22 Organization: Univ of Mississippi Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3j96cd$ue2@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <3j96cd$ue2@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> James Duncan Davidson writes: >From: James Duncan Davidson >Subject: Re: MSoftimage educational price $1000. Ouch! >Date: 4 Mar 1995 07:54:53 GMT >tom@bus.olemiss.edu (Tom Coleman) wrote: >> I just noticed a post on Alias's group stating that MS is offerin the base >> Softimage package for $1000.00 plus $250.00 a year support. The MicroSoft >> monster appears hungry. I wonder what the educational NT version will run? >Actually, educational pricing on Windows 3.5 Workstation is $144 on CD-ROM. >And other Universities not so eager to make a profit on it have it for $120 >or so. This sounds like the theme from JAWS- >--``--;{ newtek } There's a very big shark in a very small pond:{ouch! From dreamer55@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:11 PST 1995 Article: 3146 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3146 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dreamer55@aol.com (Dreamer55) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Books/Magazines on Lightwave -- DevWare? Date: 4 Mar 1995 12:44:43 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3ja8ub$3cf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: dreamer55@aol.com (Dreamer55) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com What is the Lightwave book you just published. Title, availability, cost? From wsavage@netcom.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:13 PST 1995 Article: 3147 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3147 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!wsavage From: wsavage@netcom.com (Warren Savage) Subject: Re: Post Flyer Wish Lists HERE! Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3isok2$r2j@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 04:24:19 GMT Lines: 14 Sender: wsavage@netcom13.netcom.com Donald Cotnoir-Strong (donald@nasau.iquest.com) wrote: : Simply select the Crouton on which you wish to start the program, : hold the shift key, and click play. You can interrupt the program : at any time with the right mouse button. This should take care : of that testy client problem. : Don ...Thanks! WJS From palabart@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:06 PST 1995 Article: 3148 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3148 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: palabart@aol.com (PalaBart) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 4 Mar 1995 15:47:21 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 11 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jajkp$5nm@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3j5iq8$2kt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: palabart@aol.com (PalaBart) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Lee, the IIe was over 10 years ago. That's how Apple BUILT their market share, and their reputation as a "creative" computer. Remember Apple has held their own as a "non compatible" computer without clone makers in the face of IBM and literally dozens of better priced, better performing PCs (including the Amiga). That's what it means to get ahead of the marketing curve. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com From palabart@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:00 PST 1995 Article: 3149 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3149 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: palabart@aol.com (PalaBart) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 4 Mar 1995 15:52:51 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 14 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jajv3$5pj@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: palabart@aol.com (PalaBart) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com > Regardless of what universities do, Lightwave is going to be scarfed up by >anyone who has sense enough to see what an incredible thing it is. Hmmmmm, like the wonderful Amiga hardware? I am an Amiga bigot, I have 3 of them, and will be very sad when they go. But don't let that blind you to the reality of marketing. Here more than anywhere perception is reality. Bart palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com From cbrotherton@marvin.ag.uidaho.edu Sun Mar 5 21:44:19 PST 1995 Article: 3150 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3150 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!usenet From: Chuck Brotherton Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lee's new sig...... Date: 5 Mar 1995 00:12:40 GMT Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3javlo$d6v@newshound.uidaho.edu> References: <3ii9vs$h7@expert.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc17.ag.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hodgie@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Damien) wrote: > Anybody want to guess where Lee's new sig is from? I'm guessing the > movie "Bronx Tale" with Robert DeNiro. > > Roger K. Tatum "Repo Man." Referring to pine tree air fresheners. From agrapha@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:24 PST 1995 Article: 3151 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3151 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: agrapha@aol.com (Agrapha) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: PC/SGI Date: 4 Mar 1995 20:10:52 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 14 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jb32s$99q@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: agrapha@aol.com (Agrapha) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Talked to Newtk recently. Lightwave for Windows is out For SGI...it's beta testing. No plans as yet to port to mac (insert Sad Mac icon here) AG Agrapha@AOL.COM A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing -G.Lucas From videoman@netcom.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:07 PST 1995 Article: 3152 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3152 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!videoman From: videoman@netcom.com Subject: Re: To those who are leaving the Amiga! Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 09:26:27 GMT Lines: 29 Sender: videoman@netcom19.netcom.com >Any comments? Yup!!! I'm an Amiga hard liner, when things started going down hill I even took my weekends, while working full time at a production house to sell them at a local computer store. For some, if somthing go's wrong in a production with the hardware, no support... your stuck, so i bought some parts computers... and know the system well enough to fix whatever. However i am getting a P100, I also can't stand DOS based PC's. And as much as I like the Alpha, I can't justify the cost for the few packages it runs.. maybe later. So why am I doing it ??? SIMPLE.. speed. The P100 will pump out LW frames faster than the Amiga. And I can get an IBM based PAR card. Course this does not mean that while the IBM is rendering, the amiga won't be creating objects reading e-mail etc. Why choose why not just add? -- -== When Dreams Become Reality ==- -= IM Design=- videoman@netcom.com Video Production videoman@cyberspace.org 3D Graphics & DTP From FWTep@ix.netcom.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:54 PST 1995 Article: 3153 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3153 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: FWTep@ix.netcom.com (Fred Tepper) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: To those who are leaving the Amiga! Date: 5 Mar 1995 02:39:00 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 49 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3jb884$evl@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-pas3-07.ix.netcom.com In <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> mcpeepers@aol.com (MCPEEPERS) writes: > >Hi folks. >I wonder why everyone is jumping ship? [SNIP SNIP] >That's the problem with people these days. Always afraid of not being able >to take part of what's new or standard instead of getting the job done. >The Amiga, even when the whole world has turned PC, will ALWAYS get the >job done. Especially if one has the imagination behind it. I don't need a >faster PC (NT, Pentium, whatever those things are. I hate PC's >personally.) regardless of the 66 mhz. The bottom line is whose animation >will look better. That's when I come in with my Amiga. ;) Quality >animation is not in the machine, but the man/woman behind the machine. At >the price, the Amiga, now more than ever, is the only way to go. > >end; > >Any comments? > Quality doesn't matter if the job doesn't get done. People aren't neccessarily jumping ship because they don't like the Amiga or it doesn't have the quality, its more a matter of being able to meet deadlines. NO ONE can agree on what the best machine is-- "I hate the Amiga" "I hate PCs" "I hate Macs"--that's all we ever hear. What people DO agree on (generally) is that they like Lightwave. For this reason, they like working on a machine that makes it shine, which the PC now does. Also, remember, it's not just rendering that the PC does faster; it's screen redraw too. This comes in MIGHTY handy when you are doing a wireframe preview, and as we all know, the more previews you do, the more chance you have of refining your animation and doing better QUALITY work. People here have commented that they like the badlands and galactic wave shots that we (Amblin Imaging) did for Star Trek:Voyager. Well, those shots, if rendered on one Amiga (accelerated) would have taken just over 2 years to render. Obviously if we had to use Amigas for it we would have had it run on more than one, but why not just spend less money on 1 DEC Alpha? It's MUCH easier to take care of one single machine than a farm of 16-20 Amigas (the Alpha's rough equivalent). Here's another example of how the PC can help: Grant Boucher just finished a shot with a little over 1 million polygons! Now think of your Amiga...I'll wait...how long do you think it would take it to do a wireframe preview of that? So you see, it really does help to keep up with technology. Take care, -=Fred=- Amblin Imaging From davhebel@delphi.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:20 PST 1995 Article: 3154 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3154 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: davhebel@delphi.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Modelers wanted Date: Sat, 4 Mar 95 21:58:47 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com Dimension Technologies is looking for lightwave modelers for a future project. If interested please send rendered images (any format) or even better the actual models. Send to: Dimension Technologies 1156 West 8th St Erie, PA 16502 We will be making our decision in early april so please respond soon. Thanks. From davhebel@delphi.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:22 PST 1995 Article: 3155 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3155 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: davhebel@delphi.com Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Have a CDROM and Toaster? Date: Sat, 4 Mar 95 22:02:08 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com If you have a CDROM drive and a Toaster (and or FLYER) youll want to call 1-800-525-2203 and ask about CLUB TOASTER. CLUB TOASTER: Comming in April From dingebre@xmission.xmission.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:13 PST 1995 Article: 3156 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3156 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!zimmer!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.xmission.com!xmission!dingebre From: dingebre@xmission.xmission.com (David Ingebretsen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: To J. Gross: Can LWPro disks be made available by ftp? Date: 4 Mar 1995 20:53:45 GMT Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3jak0p$ii2@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Open request to John Gross... Thanks John for the work you and all the rest put into LWPro. I just got the latest issue and am pleased with the diversity. Your editorial on the "net" was quite good. (sucking up over :) ) When the LWPro disks were first offered, there was a modest fee for, as I understood, shipping, copying, handling, etc. Since these disks were to be essentially "free", could you also upload them to the lightwave ftp site? I know that I for one would find that much more convenient and cost effective than the costs and hazards associated with mailing the disks. Thanks, -- David David M. Ingebretsen *** Binary Illusions / 3D Physics *** dingebre@xmission.xmission.com *** Animation and more *** From wturber@primenet.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:15 PST 1995 Article: 3157 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3157 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip007.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Brush or Polygon Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 21:03:44 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip007.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article James Brooks writes: >From: James Brooks >Subject: Brush or Polygon >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 17:32:22 -0500 >I am making a knob for the dishwasher that I am modeling and it has like >3 colors in it. >I was wondering if it better to try to use a brush map (alot of trial and >error to get it to fit just right on the knob) or polygon assignments >(best way I can describe it right now..sorry). >I am figuring it will save alittle bit of rendering time if I was to use >the brush map vice going the polygon way, right? >Of course the knob is around with an unusual bevel shape. >Any help would (like always from you guys and gals) apreciated. >Thanks, >Alex If the colors are of a simple shape, I'd structure the object so I could assign three different surfaces to the object to provide the desired colors. This has the added advantage of letting you ignore the issue of pixelation if you get too close to the knob. However, if there is any degree of complexity involved, I'd use a brushmap. It will probably be easier to get the design you want. Also, my guess is that you won't be zoomin' in on the diswasher knob. (It really shouldn't be that dificult to map the brushmap.) _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From stevepugh@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:23 PST 1995 Article: 3158 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3158 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stevepugh@aol.com (Steve Pugh) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Does Video Quality od DEMOREEL matter to Employers? Date: 5 Mar 1995 00:01:59 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jbgk7$ceo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: stevepugh@aol.com (Steve Pugh) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com But the actuall video quality isn't so hot, (not broadcast) If the content is kick ass, but the video quality is poor would it matter to them. Do companies like these expect you to use your own equipment, or would I just be using theirs? If you're talking about non-broadcast video but smooth animation on a 3D graphics kinda demo, that wouldn't be nearly as bad as BetacamSP with 12 fps DCTV output. As far as I can tell from demos I've seen where I work, you should be more concerned with smooth, full-screen animations rather than a broadcast component video signal. Of course, high-quality design and execution of the animation goes a long way too, but that part is obvious. From zapp@gate.net Sun Mar 5 21:44:24 PST 1995 Article: 3159 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3159 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!tequesta.gate.net!seminole.gate.net!zapp From: zapp@gate.net (Jack Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Anyone know of a good converting program Date: 5 Mar 1995 06:29:49 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3jblot$nmt@tequesta.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: seminole.gate.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] for converting DXF objects to Lightwave besides Pixel Pro I have that and it works okay on small objects but when you get big files real detailed objects it has some problems sometimes. -- Graphics Services BBS 2D-3D Printing Posters,3D Digitizing,Heat transfers,animation transfer,Video sequence captures,3D object files and and more on the Graphics Touch BBS 813-750-6900 Mac Amiga IBM all are welcome at the Graphics Touch. From bitlord@delphi.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:22 PST 1995 Article: 3160 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3160 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Alexis Delgado Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: To those who are leaving the Amiga! Date: Sun, 5 Mar 95 01:38:07 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3ja64p$dig@umd5.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1f.delphi.com X-To: Dave Dave writes: >look bleek. I know many others you are proceeding in much the same fashion >and none 'wanted' to leave Amigas behind but Amigas are being left behind. And I will be there to pick them up when you leave! ... :) Take Care, BITLORD@delphi.com From ZooRopa@mindlink.bc.ca Sun Mar 5 21:44:26 PST 1995 Article: 3161 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3161 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!mindlink.bc.ca!a13464 From: ZooRopa@mindlink.bc.ca (Jim Thompson) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Creating MPEGs Date: Sat, 04 Mar 95 23:11:29 -0800 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: <66198-794387489@mindlink.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mindlink.net /io In article <3j867h$9r0@crl.crl.com>, cjohnson@crl.com (Carl Johnson) writes: > > Msg-ID: <3j867h$9r0@crl.crl.com> > Posted: 3 Mar 1995 14:46:09 -0800 > > Org. : CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] > > Can anyone tell me how to create an MPEG movie on an AMiga.? I have ADPro > as my image processing software. > > Thanks, > > Carl I believe that Image F/X 2.0 will allow you to create MPEGS. Jim Thompson -- | Jim Thompson |"I'd like to find your inner child | | Jim_Thompson@tvbbs.wimsey.com | and kick it's little ass " | | ZooRopa@mindlink.bc.ca | Get Over It - The Eagles | |_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_|_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_| From dingebre@xmission.xmission.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:59 PST 1995 Article: 3162 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3162 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.xmission.com!xmission!dingebre From: dingebre@xmission.xmission.com (David Ingebretsen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: To those who are leaving the Amiga! Date: 5 Mar 1995 06:59:23 GMT Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 112 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3jbngb$ija@news.xmission.com> References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3jb884$evl@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Fred Tepper (FWTep@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : In <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> mcpeepers@aol.com (MCPEEPERS) writes: : > : >Hi folks. : >I wonder why everyone is jumping ship? : [SNIP SNIP] : >the price, the Amiga, now more than ever, is the only way to go. : > : >Any comments? : > : Quality doesn't matter if the job doesn't get done. People aren't : neccessarily jumping ship because they don't like the Amiga or it doesn't : have the quality, its more a matter of being able to meet deadlines. NO : ONE can agree on what the best machine is-- "I hate the Amiga" "I hate : PCs" "I hate Macs"--that's all we ever hear. What people DO agree on : (generally) is that they like Lightwave. For this reason, they like : working on a machine that makes it shine, which the PC now does. I met my deadlines last week and will meet deadlines that I have next week. Just because a faster machine is available, doesn't mean that all of a sudden I can't meet deadlines. LightWave still shines on my Amiga; as do the other applications that I have sunk a lot of money into. : Also, remember, it's not just rendering that the PC does faster; : it's screen redraw too. This comes in MIGHTY handy when you are doing a : wireframe preview, and as we all know, the more previews you do, the more : chance you have of refining your animation and doing better QUALITY work. : People here have commented that they like the badlands and galactic : wave shots that we (Amblin Imaging) did for Star Trek:Voyager. Well, those : shots, if rendered on one Amiga (accelerated) would have taken just over 2 : years to render. Obviously if we had to use Amigas for it we would have : had it run on more than one, but why not just spend less money on 1 DEC : Alpha? It's MUCH easier to take care of one single machine than a farm of : 16-20 Amigas (the Alpha's rough equivalent). Here's another example of how : the PC can help: Grant Boucher just finished a shot with a little over 1 : million polygons! Now think of your Amiga...I'll wait...how long do you : think it would take it to do a wireframe preview of that? It isn't hard to bring any machine to its knees with 3D. I'll bet that you or Grant could concieve a scene that would take 2 years to render on your Alpha network. More power just lets you do those things that you wouldn't dare do with lesser capability. Part of the art of 3D is optimizing the heck out of a scene to get that finished professional look at rendering times that are tolerable. When I started my business, I competed against companies that were and still are SGI based, much faster than my lowly Amiga. I took some of their business, not because I rendered faster, but because my work was better. I'm not Amblin nor do I have their budget. Given $40,000, I'd opt for a couple of Alphas, over an Amiga render farm, too. But how many independant animators are able to justify the cost and pay for the migration? Maybe more than I know. But my guess is that most are jumping to the PC which to me doesn't make sense. I'll explain. Productivity is an issue. A faster machine would allow me to take on more work and still get it done on schedule, that's sort of obvious. But there is a point of dimimishing return when deciding when to migrate. Migrating completely to a PC would cost on the order of $6000.00 (I priced it out several times) to get a system functioning at a comparable level as my current Amiga system. I'd end up with a system barely three times faster than what I have (I ran some benchmarks with Imagine and Real3D which are both out for the PC at this time). It's not worth it, especially when I have the ability to distribute rendering between two machines. Thus the Pentium loses more ground. Then, how do I edit video? I now have to buy video editing software and hardware at outrageous prices to replace the Toaster, because I I do have to edit a lot of my animations to video. An Alpha with software and periperal hardware (since I'm dumping the Amiga, I'll need a PC PAR for output and some other hardware/software for video editing) will cost anywhere from $12,000 to $40,000! Sure, I get a lot faster rendering, but at what cost? OK, I keep the Amiga for the Toaster and PAR, I buy an modest Alpha and get 10 times faster rendering, I'll still spend $10,000 plus for hardware and software, $12,000 plus for a high end system. Yeah, to get the speedup, it only makes sense to go with an Alpha. Or try to find an Amiga render farm with 10 t0 20 machines for the same price (Is Amblin looking to dump their 40 Amiga render farm for say... $5000.00 ?) : So you see, it really does help to keep up with technology. When you have the budget and business, sure it does. Next year, I'm sure that Amblin will have the newest and fastest machines and Grant Boucher will be doing wireframe previews of scenes with 10,000,000 polys. I'll be growing and will still be competing with "the other guys" here, probably still on my modest 2 Amiga render farm. My objection is the attitude that somehow, just because LightWave is going to run on a PC, that I have to migrate. Will I have to migrate again when LightWave is released on the PowerPC? What about the next generatoin MIPS or RISC systems? Will I have to dump my PC render farm or my Alpha to go with these? Where does it stop? Why can't I just keep on plugging away, drooling over Amblin's stuff while I make my 1,000,000 th flying logo. How many people have Amblin's budget or client's??? How many of us make our living churning out 3D logos and the occasional fun project? Ooooops where does time go, my 10 frame wireframe preview is finally done! I only started it 6 months ago :) -- David David M. Ingebretsen *** Binary Illusions / 3D Physics *** dingebre@xmission.xmission.com *** Animation and more *** From jlfitz@cais3.cais.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:01 PST 1995 Article: 3163 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3163 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais3.cais.com!jlfitz From: jlfitz@cais3.cais.com (Jeffrey Fitzgerald) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: My Amiga Left Me! Was: To Those Leaving... Date: 5 Mar 1995 07:35:56 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3jbpks$18j@news.cais.com> References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cais3.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] : That's the problem with people these days. Always afraid of not being able : to take part of what's new or standard instead of getting the job done. Are you suggesting that you can get the job done faster on a an A2000 than with a Pentium 100?? I am a devoted and loyal amiga user who has been with the scene since 1989. Last month my A2000 died in my arms and now I have to look soberly at moving with technology (Still have an awsome A1200 decked out). Should I get another logicboard and wait for this to happen next year... again? Uh, no. : The Amiga, even when the whole world has turned PC, will ALWAYS get the : job done. Especially if one has the imagination behind it. I don't need a : faster PC (NT, Pentium, whatever those things are. I hate PC's : personally.) regardless of the 66 mhz. The bottom line is whose animation : will look better. That's when I come in with my Amiga. ;) Quality : animation is not in the machine, but the man/woman behind the machine. At : the price, the Amiga, now more than ever, is the only way to go. The bottom line is being able to deliver animation of quality in a timely manner. What advantage do you have "coming in with your amiga" when your competitor is also running lightwave, but on a P100 or Alpha machine? As for price, I have paid a dear one in work delays when my amiga coughed up blood. That's not the price/performance I like. If you seriously think you can survive a year from now with an 040 based system, (and not provide the quality that comes with cutting a render from 1 hour to 5 minutes or so) you should start taking some of those Sally Struther's night courses... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jeffrey L. Fitzgerald // if you have to ask, jlfitz@cais.com \X/ you don't understand. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Real Life On-Line Help 24 Hrs a Day... Jesus@Heaven.God * From ernie@gaspra.pd.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:04 PST 1995 Article: 3164 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3164 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!gaspra.pd.com!ernie From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 02:11:55 -0700 Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3j7tjt$8pq@warp.cris.com> <3j8ihr$ktl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j8ihr$ktl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Lee Stranahan wrote: > First off, I am in favor of educational pricing for LW. I am in favor of > anything that increases LW's market share. That is that. > > However, educational sales do NOT translate into business sales in way > thats ever been shown. ... > - and to clear up the incorrect info presented earlier - Mac's are NOT > a 'new system', they predate PCs in most ways. Apple had a big headstart > and blew it... While we're clearing things up...The Mac as we know it is three years younger than the PC. At the time the PC was introduced in 1981 (with 16K of RAM and a 160K 5.25" floppy drive), the competition was the Apple IIe, and we don't need a highfalutin' marketing theory to explain what happened there--the PC was better, and it was built by a company that had been selling computers to business for three decades. In fact, if anyone had a head start and blew it, it's IBM. I think it *can* be demonstrated that Apple's aggressive marketing in the educational sector has paid off well for Apple. An even better example of special pricing to gain market share is MS Windows. But both Apple and Microsoft are selling operating systems, and this is an all or nothing deal--you either capture a double-digit percentage of the market and reap the benefits for years, or you disappear utterly. LightWave isn't an operating system, so it's not at all clear there's anything to be gained by trading income for shear numbers of non-pro users. I might be totally wrong, but I haven't seen anything here that comes close to persuading me of that. - Ernie From dma@mcs.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:36 PST 1995 Article: 3165 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3165 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!ddsw1!usenet From: Dan Ablan Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Power Macro WARNING! Date: 5 Mar 1995 09:18:12 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3jbvkk$o8j@News1.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dma.pr.mcs.net Just a note to anyone who has invested a good amount of time in a scene. DO NOT use Power Macros to Move Scene. On many occasions, like tonight, it totally screwed up my scene, parenting random objects to other objects, removing repeated motions, changing point lights to spots... all kinds of crap. Now, I have to redo the entire scene. Thanks guys... I thought the 3.5 power macs were improved?? -dan (not a happy camper at 3am) From stranahan@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:28 PST 1995 Article: 3166 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3166 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Amiga/PC compatability Date: 5 Mar 1995 04:16:36 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jbvhk$f5k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3j7scu$3cd@news.eecs.uic.edu> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com 8.3 SUCKS - luckily, WIn NT allows long file names - all our system at A51 use long file names...mo better then the alternative.. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan Area 51 Visual Effects "Too late to stop now.." From stranahan@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:10 PST 1995 Article: 3167 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3167 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: MSoftimage educational price $1000. Ouch! Date: 5 Mar 1995 04:21:02 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 15 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jbvpu$f77@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com ---------- > I just noticed a post on Alias's group stating that MS is offerin the base >> Softimage package for $1000.00 plus $250.00 a year support. ---------- Someone back this rumour up with a press release or admit you've repeated BS info. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan Area 51 Visual Effects "Too late to stop now.." From stranahan@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:49 PST 1995 Article: 3168 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3168 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PC/SGI Date: 5 Mar 1995 04:23:17 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 17 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jbvu5$f7j@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3jb32s$99q@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com ----------- Talked to Newtk recently. Lightwave for Windows is out ------------------ No, it is not. It is in beta. End of story. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan Area 51 Visual Effects "Too late to stop now.." From dma@mcs.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:02 PST 1995 Article: 3169 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3169 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.kei.com!ddsw1!usenet From: Dan Ablan Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: My Amiga Left Me! Was: To Those Leaving... Date: 5 Mar 1995 09:25:55 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3jc033$o8j@News1.mcs.com> References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3jbpks$18j@news.cais.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dma.pr.mcs.net > : The Amiga, even when the whole world has turned PC, will ALWAYS get the > : job done. Especially if one has the imagination behind it. I don't need a > : faster PC (NT, Pentium, whatever those things are. I hate PC's > : personally.) regardless of the 66 mhz. The bottom line is whose animation > : will look better. That's when I come in with my Amiga. ;) Quality > : animation is not in the machine, but the man/woman behind the machine. At > : the price, the Amiga, now more than ever, is the only way to go. You've just contradicted yourself. Which is it? The "man or woman behind the machine" or "the machine"? -Dan Ablan From ernie@gaspra.pd.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:09 PST 1995 Article: 3170 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3170 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!gaspra.pd.com!ernie From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: To those who are leaving the Amiga! Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:20:50 -0700 Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> > I was writing a friend in Singapore an e-mail about my Amiga system when I > hit on a few points that I just had to share with the rest of those who > are leaving the Amiga behind. It's a helpful reminder to you animators who > put the high priced budget before the storytelling: > > ....That's the problem with people these days. Always afraid of not being > able to take part of what's new or standard instead of getting the job > done. At the price, the Amiga, now more than ever, is the only way to go. > > Any comments? Ever read Don Quixote? - Ernie From bjoernk@oslonett.no Sun Mar 5 21:42:58 PST 1995 Article: 3171 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3171 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!nntp-oslo.uninett.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: bjoernk@oslonett.no (Bjorn-Kare Nilssen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 5 Mar 1995 14:08:47 +0100 Organization: Oslonett Public Internet Access Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8aQMlWc2WO51079yn@oslonett.no> References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> Reply-To: bjoernk@oslonett.no (Bjorn-Kare Nilssen) NNTP-Posting-Host: hasle.oslonett.no In article , Ernie Wright wrote: > Brian Hoffman wrote: > > > I think this argument ignores basic human nature. A student/faculty > > member looks at his choices and says: "I can get this $3000 program > > for $700 (3DS, educational price), or I can get this $1000 program > > for $650 (Lightwave, possible street price)." > > > > Which one appears to be the bargain? > > Y'know, it wouldn't surprise me a bit that someone purchasing a 3D > program for an educational institution would base his decisions on > a "bigger savings" argument like this, while utterly ignoring the > relative merits of the programs irrespective of price. If NewTek > wanted to play this game, the logical response would be a 200% > increase in the MSRP of LW. It would NOT be a further discount on > an already relatively low price. I would say that the very low student prices Autodesk offers make me suspicious, and a little bit angry too. I've no doubt about hat they still get a profit when selling student versions. So how can they possible sell the full version for $3000 ? (it's $4000 in Norway!). They probably must have at least $2500 in profit for each package ! I really do hope that trueSpace, Lightwave and other 3D packages will grab a *very* large part of Autodesks 3D market share, and teach them to keep their prices at a realistic level, and not to charge to the limit of what the market will pay. I don't think 3DStudio will remain the king for very long... - Bjorn From emporium@netcom.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:12 PST 1995 Article: 3172 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3172 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!emporium From: emporium@netcom.com (Jeff Zemke) Subject: Re: MSoftimage educational price $1000. Ouch! Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3jbvpu$f77@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 14:28:15 GMT Lines: 27 Sender: emporium@netcom20.netcom.com I agree with Lee. I just spent the last half hour looking for this post/info... My poor Indigo R3000 would LOVE to have Softimage on it for a thousand... Lee: how can I become a beta tester for LW on the SGI? I just got an ethercard for my Amiga and now the toaster and SGI are on speaking terms! -Jeff Stranahan (stranahan@aol.com) wrote: : ---------- : > I just noticed a post on Alias's group stating that MS is offerin the : base : >> Softimage package for $1000.00 plus $250.00 a year support. : ---------- : Someone back this rumour up with a press release or admit you've repeated : BS info. : _____________________________________________ : Lee Stranahan : Area 51 Visual Effects : "Too late to stop now.." -- The Emporium Admin The Graphics Emporium OnLine BBS 602-877-3139 A FirstClass BBS dedicated to computer 2D/3D Art and Video emporium@netcom.com From cascio@it.uwp.edu Sun Mar 5 21:44:37 PST 1995 Article: 3173 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3173 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!cs.uwp.edu!it!cascio From: cascio@it.uwp.edu (Mario Cascio) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Import Video Clips to Flyer LW Date: 5 Mar 1995 14:17:49 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3jch6d$sr@cs.uwp.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: it.uwp.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Does anyone out there know how to import Flyer video clips into your animation? Please take me step by step if you could. I would appreciation greatly. Mario Cascio ProMotion From rme3d@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:41 PST 1995 Article: 3174 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3174 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rme3d@aol.com (RME 3D) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Configuring Lightwave directories . . . Date: 5 Mar 1995 10:46:15 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jcmc7$hdh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: rme3d@aol.com (RME 3D) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com If you are HANDY, aren't we all, you can use a text editor and change the directory/path parameters in the Scene File. Thats the way I STILL alter/fix scripts in SCALA, never had much success with the SCALA fixscript util anyway! -Good Luck - RME 3D - TACH BBS (516) 579-9303 BBS From cyrus@athena.athenet.net Sun Mar 5 21:44:43 PST 1995 Article: 3175 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3175 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!athena.athenet.net!usenet From: cyrus@athena.athenet.net (cyrus) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Lightwave Products Web Site Date: 5 Mar 1995 15:54:00 GMT Organization: Athenet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3jcmqo$ncf@athena.athenet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialip-15.athenet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 With the downfall of AmigaWorld, and the scattered nature of Lightwave product ditributors and manufacturers, I think that I may have a way to allow access to Lightwave and Amiga product manufacturers in leu of the paper advertising that is shrinking fast in the Amiga community. I work as/for an internet access provider in NE Wisconsin. We have a full T1 and a couple of web servers. We also have anonymous FTP as well. A central web site with links to other product pages can be created, as well as new pages for advertisers who do not yet have web pages. This would NOT be and Amiga-only site. While Tomahawk has several links, would be a reasource for both LW users and advertisers. As a web site it would be only passive advertising. Ultimately I would like to be able to have links to all LW reasources. As more and more LW users get on the net this kind of acessability will become more valuable. Comments, questions welcome. Cyrus J. Kalbrener Athena Group 414-954-9798 Athenet From rme3d@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:44 PST 1995 Article: 3176 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3176 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rme3d@aol.com (RME 3D) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: The new "Club" Date: 5 Mar 1995 10:57:13 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jcn0p$hfk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: rme3d@aol.com (RME 3D) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com A % discount from MSRP is not what I would call a great deal. But a percentage up from cost MIGHT BE! Pricing should be determined, based on COST! ..and then again, it depends on what YOUR COST is! - RME 3D - TACH BBS (516) 579-9303 BBS From thx1138871@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:45 PST 1995 Article: 3177 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3177 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: thx1138871@aol.com (THX1138871) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Why bother with a PowerMac version? Date: 5 Mar 1995 13:36:21 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jd0b5$jfg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3j8hgi$gsh@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Reply-To: thx1138871@aol.com (THX1138871) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Bravo From thx1138871@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:47 PST 1995 Article: 3178 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3178 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: thx1138871@aol.com (THX1138871) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PC hardware from newtek. Date: 5 Mar 1995 13:43:41 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 5 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jd0ot$ji5@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3j8rjq$net@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: thx1138871@aol.com (THX1138871) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com The Flyer was designed from the begining as being "Platform Independent" It's essentially a digital video recorder. Using it with any other platform would be easy. Now all you have to do is somehow port the toaster. From stranahan@aol.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:05 PST 1995 Article: 3179 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3179 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: My Amiga Left Me! Was: To Those Leaving... Date: 5 Mar 1995 14:01:36 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 34 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jd1qg$jre@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3jc033$o8j@News1.mcs.com> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com : The Amiga, even when the whole world has turned PC, will ALWAYS get the > : job done. Especially if one has the imagination behind it. I don't need a > : faster PC (NT, Pentium, whatever those things are. I hate PC's > : personally.) regardless of the 66 mhz. The bottom line is whose animation > : will look better. That's when I come in with my Amiga. ;) Quality > : animation is not in the machine, but the man/woman behind the machine. At > : the price, the Amiga, now more than ever, is the only way to go The Amiga will not get the job done when it breaks and you can't get parts. The Amiga will not get the job done when vendors don't update their software for it. The Amiga will not get the job done when your competitioin's machines are twenty times faster. This is not the case today, but we've approaching that point on on fronts. By the way, speed increases have little to do with final renders, by the way - speed REALLY pays off in setting up the scene, and tweaking textures and motion paths. Speed means a lot, and so does accessibility to cool tools...and there are more cool tools on the fricking PC, as much as you may hate that... _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan Area 51 Visual Effects "Too late to stop now.." From donald@nasau.iquest.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:38 PST 1995 Article: 3180 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3180 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!news.msfc.nasa.gov!marshalltv.msfc.nasa.gov!not-for-mail From: Donald Cotnoir-Strong Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Import Video Clips to Flyer LW Date: 5 Mar 1995 19:33:40 GMT Organization: NASA/MSFC Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3jd3mk$a1g@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> References: <3jch6d$sr@cs.uwp.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: marshalltv.msfc.nasa.gov cascio@it.uwp.edu (Mario Cascio) wrote: > Does anyone out there know how to import Flyer video clips into your > animation? Please take me step by step if you could. This feature's not in Flyer LW 3.9. When it arrives, I assume it will be as easy as selecting either "Load Image" or "Load Image Sequence" and pointing your file requester at a Flyer clip. Don From jgross@netcom.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:41 PST 1995 Article: 3181 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3181 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: Configuring Lightwave directories . . . Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:08:11 GMT Lines: 4 Sender: jgross@netcom14.netcom.com Depending on what you did, and where stuff used to be stored, you can simply use an AmigaDOS assign to the new directory. JG From jgross@netcom.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:33 PST 1995 Article: 3182 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3182 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: LW Amiga/PC compatability Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3j5oc5$41t@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:19:16 GMT Lines: 18 Sender: jgross@netcom15.netcom.com DiamondP (diamondp@aol.com) wrote: : Can anyone tell me if LW amiga & LW PC files are compatable, particularly : scene files? Yes and No. Yes, the scene files can be read, but the problem lies in pathname conventions. An object on an Amiga may be located at DH0:Objects/Space/Ship but on the PC, it could be C:\Objects\Space\Ship..... So, you'll al;ways have to search for a missing object or rewrite the scene file. However, object files contain references to image paths that you will have to get around. THe other big problem is if you are running under windows and not NT. The 8.3 limit for names is a bitch, but running under NT allows long file names... JG From jgross@netcom.com Sun Mar 5 21:43:51 PST 1995 Article: 3183 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3183 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: PC/SGI Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3jb32s$99q@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:24:03 GMT Lines: 5 Sender: jgross@netcom15.netcom.com : Lightwave for Windows is out Wrong. All versions are still in beta. JG From jgross@netcom.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:39 PST 1995 Article: 3184 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3184 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: Import Video Clips to Flyer LW Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3jch6d$sr@cs.uwp.edu> <3jd3mk$a1g@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:27:58 GMT Lines: 7 Sender: jgross@netcom15.netcom.com : This feature's not in Flyer LW 3.9. When it arrives, I assume it will : be as easy as selecting either "Load Image" or "Load Image Sequence" : and pointing your file requester at a Flyer clip. How about "Load Flyer Clip"? JG From idynamic@mcs.com Sun Mar 5 21:42:54 PST 1995 Article: 3185 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3185 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!hookup!news.kei.com!ddsw1!usenet From: Steve Bailey Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Sony EVO-9650 Date: 5 Mar 1995 22:17:18 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3jdd9e$9gm@News1.mcs.com> References: <3j8ocv$9lj@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: idynamic.pr.mcs.net yarrick@primenet.com (Eric Soulvie) wrote: > > I am currently looking at purchasing a new animation recorder and am > considering Sony EVO-9650. Does anyone have any information about this > recorder? Does anyone know where I can find one at a good price? > > -Yarrick > > > > Look for my Email to you regarding the Hi-8 recorder. I have one for sale. Please E-me if you don't get the message (my mailer is a little funky). I'm Steve at idynamic@mcs.com. You can also Email to 72773.2451@compuserve.com. Later. Steve idynamic@mcs.com From maturney@acad.ursinus.edu Sun Mar 5 21:44:49 PST 1995 Article: 3186 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3186 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!acad.ursinus.edu!maturney From: maturney@acad.ursinus.edu Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Glitches in 3.1 on a 4000 Message-ID: <1995Mar5.184711.1028@acad.ursinus.edu> Date: 5 Mar 95 18:47:11 EST Organization: Ursinus College Lines: 23 When in lightwave I'm having problems with the view switching to the light's view. When I try to mouse click on another view it seems locked on that view and will not switch. The only way to get a different view is to hold f1 or f2 for a while, if I let them go, the view switches back to the light's view. After holding it for a couple seconds it switches to the view dictated by the function key. Also when I'm in modeler and I select all the polygons in an image, select multiple layers, and in a seemingly random pattern otherwise, the layer selector switches by itself. For a couple seconds the layer selected cycles across the layer indicator from 3-8 or 4-8 and then starts at layer 3 or 4 again, repeating for a few seconds. I'm sure there is more of a pattern, but I've been working late nights. These are things that I can stand, but I'm afraid they are tell-tale signs of something bigger that might be wrong with the system. We're using a rented toaster 400 with lightwave 3.1. Also, I had a 'software failure' sign come up in red and I lost the changes to my scene and everything that was in the modeler. I remembered all the changes I had made that night and thank god I had saved everything in the modeler. I lost an hour and a half, but nothing I couldn't recover. My guess is that the computer was getting too hot, if anyone knows differently I'd appreciate it. I'm sure it was good in the long run, I save scenes about every five minutes now. Thanks for any help anyone can throw my way. Mark Turney From dingebre@xmission.xmission.com Sun Mar 5 21:44:51 PST 1995 Article: 3187 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3187 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.xmission.com!xmission!dingebre From: dingebre@xmission.xmission.com (David Ingebretsen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Wake me when the war is over Date: 6 Mar 1995 00:18:38 GMT Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3jdkcu$r42@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Will some kind soul tell me when the platform bashing is gone from this group? I'm weary of people telling me I'm stupid that I'm still using an Amiga and that I can't compete. If you want me to see a comment, email 'cuz I'm out of here until the information becomes useful to me.... -- David David M. Ingebretsen *** Binary Illusions / 3D Physics *** dingebre@xmission.xmission.com *** Animation and more *** From Pete_Rittwage@neonate.is.net Sun Mar 5 21:44:54 PST 1995 Article: 3188 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3188 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news1.is.net!usenet From: Pete_Rittwage@neonate.is.net (Pete Rittwage) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Scene Manager uploaded! Useful utility ALERT! Date: 6 Mar 1995 00:35:19 GMT Organization: Private UUCP Node! Lines: 66 Message-ID: <3jdlc7$nkq@news1.is.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: supermax.is.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Hello all! I am forwarding this to the newsgroup to annonce an Aminet upload you all may find useful... ----------------------------- cut here ----------------------------------- ***************************************************************** * Scene Manager * * Copyright (c) 1994, 1995 by Peter Rittwage and Chris Hurley * * InterVisual Software, Inc. * * All Rights Reserved. * ***************************************************************** DESCRIPTION Scene Manager is a multi-purpose utility for manipulating scenes created by Lightwave 3D. It can move, update, and delete scenes around a network, or offline, as well as create archives containing all components needed to render it. These archives can be undone on your PC, SGI, Raptor3, Mac, or whatever Lightwave is ultimately released for with or without the use of a native version of Scene Manager. LIMITATIONS OF UNREGISTERED VERSION 1) The unregistered version only supports archiving in the LhA format. It does NOT support de-archiving (restoring). LhA is not included in the archive, but is available from Aminet, Fred Fish, or your local BBS or user group. I highly suggest also registering LhA, as it is by far the best archiver available for the Amiga thus far. (Although I hear that LHX is nice.) The registered version features a customizable compression scheme. All that is required is the command line option definition for whatever archiver you wish to use (and the binary for said archiver). It also supports splitting the archives into disk-sized parts, for transfer by that method. DD & HD floppies, SyQuest, and Bernoulli disks are all supported in any format you have the drivers for. I.E. CrossMAC(tm), MaxDOS(tm), CrossDOS(tm), etc... Current tested archivers include (more can be added instantly): .LHA (because it's the Amiga standard) .ZIP (for transfer to PC's) .LHX (because it's supposedly faster and more efficient) .ZOO, .ARC (for old times' sake) 2) The unregistered version will not allow you to process more than one scene at a time. Naturally, the registered version has no such limitations. FUTURE I am open for suggestions! A Windows version is definately planned, but it's distribution all depends on the number of registrations we receive. ---------------------------------- snip! --------------------------------- Please direct responses to: chrish@jobe.shell.portal.com Thanks! Pete Rittwage InterVisual Software From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sun Mar 5 21:44:30 PST 1995 Article: 3189 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3189 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Amiga/PC compatability Date: 6 Mar 1995 01:27:40 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3jdoec$aqr@beta.inc.net> References: <3j7scu$3cd@news.eecs.uic.edu> <3jbvhk$f5k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kate.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3jbvhk$f5k@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) says: > >8.3 SUCKS - luckily, WIn NT allows long file names - all our system at A51 >use long file names...mo better then the alternative.. Have you stress-tested this? I think it works like this: since LW/Win uses the Windows common file dialog, you'll be able to see, select and enter long filenames on WinNT NTFS partitions. Now, the big question is how many characters can be used to specify a fully-qualified filename path string? Each component in a long WinNT filename path string can be 256 chars: that is, each filename or directory name can be 256 chars each, plus the two chars for the drive name, plus all the slashes in-between. The basic Win32 file-open function can accept a 256-char filename path, but it also uses the notion of "current directory," meaning the fully specified filename could be much longer than 256 chars. As far as I can tell, LW/Win always saves a fully qualified absolute pathname in scene files, which is different than the Amiga version, which often used relative path names (relative to the Toaster / LW directory). This will present some problems in itself, notably, whenever drive letters change on the system, your scene files will suddenly stop loading automatically, and will pester you to re-point every object and texture image. Of course, you can change any drive letter at any time in WinNT, using the Disk Admin program, and it's easy to make new drive letters with File Manager and SUBST. First, we need to know how large their buffers are when they call the common file dialog. Then we need to insure that all filename-path subroutines can handle such long filename paths. Then we need to confirm that all other buffers, such as the one that reads the LoadObject line in scene files, can handle the long pathnames, too. There are a *lot* of things that need to be stressed before we can claim that LW/Win can handle NTFS long filenames. In other words, I'll bet a doughnut that I can break LW/Win's handling of filenames. When those buffers overflow within the program, who knows what kind of stack data will be trashed. From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sun Mar 5 21:44:25 PST 1995 Article: 3190 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3190 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good converting program Date: 6 Mar 1995 01:28:25 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3jdofp$aqr@beta.inc.net> References: <3jblot$nmt@tequesta.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kate.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3jblot$nmt@tequesta.gate.net>, zapp@gate.net (Jack Campbell) says: > >for converting DXF objects to Lightwave besides Pixel Pro I have that and >it works okay on small objects but when you get big files real detailed >objects it has some problems sometimes. There's InterChange from Syndesis, but you've already told me that it sucks. From syndesis@beta.inc.net Sun Mar 5 21:44:55 PST 1995 Article: 3191 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3191 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!usenet From: syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: TIO won't import DXF Date: 6 Mar 1995 01:32:32 GMT Organization: Syndesis Corporation Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3jdong$aqr@beta.inc.net> References: <3ijb6u$dsu@news.missouri.edu> <3irdnc$jlm@beta.inc.net> <3isn4 <3j5mfh$s4p@news.eecs.uic.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kate.inc.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3j5mfh$s4p@news.eecs.uic.edu>, bdupras@ernie.eecs.uic.edu (Brian Dupras) says: >Actually, how about "creating DXF's that work with LW" and a "kludging >DXF to work with LW" sections? Not necessarily a step-by-step, but a >limited description of how to create (or translate) a DXF in ACAD so it >can be imported into LW. Impossible - you're asking to document how *which* program exports DXF? The LW manual does include the appendix that documents which DXF entities the TIO translator can handle... that tells you what will be imported, and as what in LW. As to whether program XYZ exports DXF correctly, or whether they bother to document how they do export their geometry, is another question. There are hundreds of programs that export DXF in their own ways. Actually, if you have a PC, the safest way to move a DXF file to LW is to use Autodesk's DXF-to-3D-Studio converter. It's a standalone freeware program that runs under DOS. It does a great job, and the 3DS import in TIO is relatively flawless. From dgriff@unixg.ubc.ca Sun Mar 5 21:44:34 PST 1995 Article: 3192 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3192 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!dgriff From: dgriff@unixg.ubc.ca (David Griffiths) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Amiga/PC compatability Date: 6 Mar 95 02:20:41 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3j5oc5$41t@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) writes: >THe other big problem is if you are running under windows and not NT. The >8.3 limit for names is a bitch, but running under NT allows long file >names... I take it that it can also use long filenames under Win 95? -- David S. Griffiths: (Vancouver, B.C., Canada!) Ranma/Amiga/LW3D/Cool - Television Technical Director, Mendelson Films Ltd. From jgross@netcom.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:15 PST 1995 Article: 3193 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3193 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: LW Amiga/PC compatability Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3j5oc5$41t@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 06:34:59 GMT Lines: 5 Sender: jgross@netcom21.netcom.com : I take it that it can also use long filenames under Win 95? i would assume so, but don't have a beta version of W95 to try it out... JG From rememwhen@aol.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:01 PST 1995 Article: 3194 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3194 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rememwhen@aol.com (RememWhen) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW 4.0 wishlist Date: 5 Mar 1995 21:25:20 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 5 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jdrqg$qeq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <291010827wnr@snouty.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: rememwhen@aol.com (RememWhen) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I'd like to see the ability to "hide" part of an object (not in the sense of partial surface transparancy, but I'd like to be able to do a 3D "wipe" on of a logo following the logo's written path) RememWhen From dma@mcs.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:06 PST 1995 Article: 3195 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3195 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!ddsw1!usenet From: Dan Ablan Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Why bother with a PowerMac version? Date: 6 Mar 1995 05:12:20 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3je5jk$17o@News1.mcs.com> References: <3j8hgi$gsh@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <3jd0b5$jfg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dma.pr.mcs.net thx1138871@aol.com (THX1138871) wrote: > > Bravo Johnn Bravo, that is. From wturber@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:47:56 PST 1995 Article: 3196 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3196 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip023.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: NT Workstation Review Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:47:32 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip023.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] The current issue of Byte (March I think) has a review of a handful of workstations that run NT. These workstations use Alpha, MIPS, or dual-Pentium motherboards. There are performance numbers included as well. If you are thinking of buying serious horsepower, it may be worth a look. _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From ZooRopa@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Mar 7 21:48:09 PST 1995 Article: 3197 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3197 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!mindlink.bc.ca!a13464 From: ZooRopa@mindlink.bc.ca (Jim Thompson) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Amiga/PC compatability Date: Sun, 05 Mar 95 23:44:15 -0800 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <66233-794475855@mindlink.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mindlink.net In article <3jbvhk$f5k@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) writes: > > Msg-ID: <3jbvhk$f5k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> > References: <3j7scu$3cd@news.eecs.uic.edu> > Posted: 5 Mar 1995 04:16:36 -0500 > > Org. : America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) > > 8.3 SUCKS - luckily, WIn NT allows long file names - all our system at > A51 > use long file names...mo better then the alternative.. > > > _____________________________________________ > Lee Stranahan > Area 51 Visual Effects > > "Too late to stop now.." This is typical Microsoft thinking. I have to spend 300 or so dollars just to get beyond 8.3 conventions. Sure, NT does many other things but why can't they just release a patch for 3.11 users? -- | Jim Thompson |"I'd like to find your inner child | | Jim_Thompson@tvbbs.wimsey.com | and kick it's little ass " | | ZooRopa@mindlink.bc.ca | Get Over It - The Eagles | |_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_|_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_| From wturber@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:47:57 PST 1995 Article: 3198 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3198 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip023.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: 25 days? Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 01:06:26 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip023.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Well . . . I hate to even ask this, but I will. Can anybody confirm that LW (PC/Windows) will actually be released 1st quarter '95? Also, what would be the fastest way to get a copy? I only ask this because we are facing a situation where we need to add workstations and we put this off based on the early announcements in VTU that suggested a late '94 release date. We are fast approaching a point where a further delay in adding workstations could be painful. Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From maturney@acad.ursinus.edu Tue Mar 7 21:48:19 PST 1995 Article: 3199 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3199 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!acad.ursinus.edu!maturney From: maturney@acad.ursinus.edu Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: How do I subscribe to lw-l mail list? Message-ID: <1995Mar6.031915.1043@acad.ursinus.edu> Date: 6 Mar 95 03:19:15 EST Organization: Ursinus College Lines: 4 Who do I send to and what do I put in the message to get on the lightwave-l mailing list? I don't think I heard of it before. Thanks for any help. Mark From ernie@gaspra.pd.com Tue Mar 7 21:47:48 PST 1995 Article: 3200 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3200 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!gaspra.pd.com!ernie From: Ernie Wright Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 01:36:03 -0700 Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <3j95af$ue2@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3j95af$ue2@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> Concerning the actual cost of software, James Duncan Davidson wrote: > What I was referring to was the "concrete" cost of the software package > -- not including the intangibles such as programmer time, etc. What I > am trying to say is that it is a good idea to trade a reduced profit > margin (by selling an academic package at ~$200) for an increased use > in the educational market ... For all I know, an educational discount might be the best thing for NewTek since sliced bread. But they can't base their marketing on arguments that (a) amount to thinly disguised self-interest, and (b) fail to account for, or even acknowledge, the costs and risks involved. Payroll ain't "intangible." If you don't believe me, quit school now, hire some people, and pay them for a year while they're developing your product line. Selling LW for $200 would NOT be a cut in profit margin. It would mean selling the program AT A LOSS. Is an educational discount THAT good an idea? - Ernie From slacchin@quack.dsi.unive.it Tue Mar 7 21:48:20 PST 1995 Article: 3201 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3201 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!serra.unipi.it!hydra.unive.it!moo.dsi.unive.it!quack.dsi.unive.it!slacchin From: slacchin@quack.dsi.unive.it (Lacchin Stefano) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Light Cones?!? Date: 6 Mar 1995 09:25:32 GMT Organization: Dipartimento Scienze dell'informazione Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3jekec$ntj@moo.dsi.unive.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: quack.dsi.unive.it X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hello everyone, I'm just a beginner with LightWave, but I'd want to learn something about some astonishing effects LW can create. As a matter of facts, I've been trying for weeks to recreate the nice light cones I have seen in some pictures made with LW, setting for example a cone-object as additive luminosity with transparent edges. Then I applied a gradient brush to recreate the fading of the light from the top to the bottom of the cone. This seemed to be a good solution, but led to some unpredictable side effects. For example, when I try to direct the light to the "eye of the camera", obviously the cone-object disappears. I'm sure that many ways of improving this solution, but I can't find them. Please help me. LUCKY S. From mcpeepers@aol.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:34 PST 1995 Article: 3202 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3202 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mcpeepers@aol.com (MCPEEPERS) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: To those who are leaving the Amiga! Date: 6 Mar 1995 05:44:53 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jep35$2kk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: mcpeepers@aol.com (MCPEEPERS) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com A quote from videoman@netcom.com: >Why choose why not just add? I agree. Since I started this debate, I see that speed is an excellent factor to get a PC (Boy, even got a comment from Amblin!) However, videoman said it best with above quote. I'll keep collecting Amigas and add a PC or two for the slave labor. Mcpeepers@aol.com From mcpeepers@aol.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:33 PST 1995 Article: 3203 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3203 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mcpeepers@aol.com (MCPEEPERS) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: My Amiga Left Me! Was: To Those Leaving... Date: 6 Mar 1995 05:44:53 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jep35$2km@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3jc033$o8j@News1.mcs.com> Reply-To: mcpeepers@aol.com (MCPEEPERS) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com > You've just contradicted yourself. Which is it? > The "man or woman behind the machine" or "the machine"? >-Dan Ablan What?? From guerry@simulog.fr Tue Mar 7 21:48:46 PST 1995 Article: 3204 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3204 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!news2.EUnet.fr!simulog.simulog.fr!nobody From: guerry@simulog.fr (Etienne Guerry stagiaire wave) Subject: infos on releases of NT lw Message-ID: Lines: 4 Organization: Simulog, St. Quentin, France Date: 06 Mar 1995 12:33:38 GMT Hello, just want to know th issue date of LW on NT and the cost of this version with options : multiprocessoring, educationnal etc ... Many contradictionnal infos todays for this imminent event ... From tom@bus.olemiss.edu Tue Mar 7 21:47:50 PST 1995 Article: 3205 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3205 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu!tom From: tom@bus.olemiss.edu (Tom Coleman) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:14:42 Organization: Univ of Mississippi Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> <3j4qe7$1d19@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <3j95af$ue2@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: johnsonp.bus.olemiss.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article Ernie Wright writes: >From: Ernie Wright >Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 01:36:03 -0700 >Concerning the actual cost of software, James Duncan Davidson wrote: >> What I was referring to was the "concrete" cost of the software package >> -- not including the intangibles such as programmer time, etc. What I >> am trying to say is that it is a good idea to trade a reduced profit >> margin (by selling an academic package at ~$200) for an increased use >> in the educational market ... >For all I know, an educational discount might be the best thing for NewTek >since sliced bread. But they can't base their marketing on arguments that >(a) amount to thinly disguised self-interest, and (b) fail to account for, >or even acknowledge, the costs and risks involved. >Payroll ain't "intangible." If you don't believe me, quit school now, hire >some people, and pay them for a year while they're developing your product >line. Selling LW for $200 would NOT be a cut in profit margin. It would >mean selling the program AT A LOSS. Is an educational discount THAT good >an idea? >- Ernie If it is true that MS is selling the Extreme version of Soft for $1000. . It would appear that to not attract the educational market somehow is to miss the boat in terms of becoming the program most students who enter the workplace will have experience using. Of course, I need a "press release" to verify such an offer by MS. From dma@mcs.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:48 PST 1995 Article: 3206 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3206 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!usenet From: Dan Ablan Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Man Vs. Machine Date: 6 Mar 1995 15:44:27 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3jfakr$1ch@News1.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dma.pr.mcs.net I've been reading through a lot of messages lately. Just about all are "when can I get LW 4.0?" and "my Amiga is better that your PC!" and "you Amiga is dead!" and things like that. I think everyone is forgetting that it's only plastic, and capacitors, and circuts... just parts. I want the best machine, for the best price, to do the best job... just like many of you do, I'm sure. No one wants their machine to break down, and not have any parts available to fix it. And, by the same token, who wants to spend $2500 on a computer that is not even manufactured anymore, when anywhere you turn, is a faster, stronger, and less expensive machine? What's the problem? The best machine, to do the best job, for the best price.. who cares what type of machine it is. What will get the job done? So why not just take it easy, let things happen as they will, and get excited about the possibilties of what one can do with LightWave 4.0 when it's available? -Dan From b21@dec5102.aarhues.dk Tue Mar 7 21:48:52 PST 1995 Article: 3207 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3207 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.uni-c.dk!esanews.denet.dk!dec5102.aarhues.dk!b21 From: b21@dec5102.aarhues.dk (Michael Nielsen-Englyst) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Problems with IFF's Date: 6 Mar 1995 15:57:25 GMT Organization: News server at Danish Commerical Schools Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3jfbd5$q7r@esanews.denet.dk> References: <3j11b9$mpt@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dec5102.aarhues.dk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Scott Bragg (edreams@pd.org) wrote: : My hard drive seems to be eating my IFF frames either written from : lightwave or AD-Pro. I get bad body chunks, bad pallettes, and just : plain truncated files. Could this be a problem with Lightwave or my system? : I'm running an Amiga 3000 with Commodore's 3640 25mhz 040 card, 14MB ram, : and external (for portability) 500meg SCSI-II Conner HD, a Picasso 2 : graphics board, and a newly aquired PAR with a 1gig HD (internal, sitting : where the normal system drive would be.) [snip] : -- : Scott Bragg : Domain: edreams@pd.org : UUCP: ...!emory!pd.org!edreams I and some of my friends have had quite a few problems with Connor SCSI harddrives. When we used a 1 Gig to read off 4000 frames it made read errors in the files, and it was incredibly slow when we copied files to and from it. And a friend of mine had a Conner that crashed big time. It simply burned down!! So, if possible, don't use Conner SCSI harddrives. All other brands that I know of don't have these problems. I myself have an A3000, but I have not tried using a Conner harddisk on it. Controllers Conner didn't work on: GVP HC8 (?) Controller in A4000/040 Fastlane in a A4000/030 No probs with AT though... Hope this helped you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Nielsen-Englyst B21@Aarhues.dk Registrated Imagine User A3000, 1.6GB HD, 18 Mb Ram, Retina Z3, Emplant DeLuxe, Canon LBP4 ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jsp@siesta.cs.wustl.edu Tue Mar 7 21:47:45 PST 1995 Article: 3208 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3208 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.dsndata.com!backbone!crcnis3.unl.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu!siesta.cs.wustl.edu!not-for-mail From: jsp@siesta.cs.wustl.edu (Jonathan S. Pollack) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 5 Mar 1995 08:56:46 -0600 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3jcjfe$jer@siesta.cs.wustl.edu> References: <3j7tjt$8pq@warp.cris.com> <3j8ihr$ktl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: siesta.cs.wustl.edu In article <3j8ihr$ktl@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Stranahan wrote: : : However, educational sales do NOT translate into business sales in way : thats ever been shown. First off, technology changes too quickly. Second, : people who graduate college don't get to pick which systems they use, : generally - they use what is on the desk in front when they show up for : orientation. Apple's numbers do not reflect any growth at all due to the : 'people get them and then want to use them after college' theory. All of that may be very true, but when you ask a college student at my campus what computer they use for word processing, they say that they use the Mac. These people, for the most part, are scared to death of PC's. In fact, with Apple's new PowerMac, I have seen some users switch over from the PC to the Mac when doing word processing. At the computer lab where I work, we have old PS/2 systems that take 5 minutes to load windows and new PowerMacs that are fast compared to the other computers in the lab. You tell me which system type my school is supporting in that lab. -- Jonathan jsp@cs.wustl.edu From bitlord@delphi.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:53 PST 1995 Article: 3209 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3209 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Alexis Delgado Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: How to hook up LW in an AMIGA to DEC/ALPHA? Date: Mon, 6 Mar 95 11:20:39 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1g.delphi.com Hi everyone. Got Lightgwave. Got Toaster. Got FLyer.Got a WARP ENGINE. Rendering is still a bit slow, now since no other versions of LW have been released . . (or have they?) How can I send out to render to a DEC. I now the RAPTOR/SCREAMER gig. But I think that someone from amblin said here once that they use ALPHAs. HOW? Is it screamer NET? and if so can this be done on a lesser machine( like a pentium?) Where can I go (if not here) for this info besides Newtek? Thanks to all in advance. alex AKA BITLORD@delphi.com ------------------------------- WINDOWS '95!!!! (in time for 1996!) From dave@gaspra.pd.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:29 PST 1995 Article: 3210 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3210 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!gaspra.pd.com!dave From: Dave Gilinsky Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: WAS: My Amiga Left Me! NOW: Productivity? Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:54:59 -0700 Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3jc033$o8j@News1.mcs.com> <3jd1qg$jre@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pd.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3jd1qg$jre@newsbf02.news.aol.com> On 5 Mar 1995, Stranahan wrote: > This is not the case today, but we've approaching that point on on fronts. > > By the way, speed increases have little to do with final renders, by the > way - speed REALLY pays off in setting up the scene, and tweaking textures > and motion paths. Speed means a lot, and so does accessibility to cool We've found exactly the opposite to be the case. In our business, CPU speed impacts animation productivity much more through reduced rendering time than it does through faster scene setup. I'd be interested to hear how other production houses have found that CPU affects productivity. Dave Gilinsky (DG75) Pixel Dust, Inc. dave@gaspra.pd.com _______________________________________________________________________________ From idynamic@.mcs.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:58 PST 1995 Article: 3211 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3211 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!usenet From: Erik Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Super Geek Date: 6 Mar 1995 17:38:56 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3jfhbg$2kf@News1.mcs.com> References: <3j8kr7$ej@News1.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: idynamic.pr.mcs.net Dan Ablan wrote: > > I just picked up an Apple Newton Message Pad thing > today for under $200. It's really pretty cool, Dan- Don't ya know that the Motorola knockoff is better than "pretty cool"....jeeez. later- erik From stranahan@aol.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:10 PST 1995 Article: 3212 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3212 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: LW Amiga/PC compatability Date: 6 Mar 1995 14:37:28 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 14 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jfo9o$6in@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <66233-794475855@mindlink.bc.ca> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com As for stress testing - we are in production. That IS stress testing. No problems so far with long file names, and that's with 5 animators working 10+ hour days for a few weeks now. Our set-up is 5 Alphas, a P90, a P100, plus a P90 server (all running NT) and no Amigas. Is this a factor? I don't know...but everything is working fine. Could you make it crash? Maybe...but please don't. It works. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan Area 51 Visual Effects "Too late to stop now.." From palabart@aol.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:08 PST 1995 Article: 3213 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3213 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: palabart@aol.com (PalaBart) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Lightwave Products Web Site Date: 6 Mar 1995 14:58:09 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jfpgh$6qs@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3jcmqo$ncf@athena.athenet.net> Reply-To: palabart@aol.com (PalaBart) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Couldn't agree more. We (Amiga users and that includes all Flyer users) are going to need access to products. Conversely producers are going to need access to the market. As both producer and consumer of VT, Amiga and Flyer products I am most interested. Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com From hardin@ee.ualberta.ca Tue Mar 7 21:49:07 PST 1995 Article: 3214 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3214 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!hardin From: hardin@ee.ualberta.ca (Hardin Brett Arvid) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Configuring Lightwave directories . . . Date: 6 Mar 1995 19:50:47 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering Department Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3jfp2n$18c8@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: eigen.ee.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Alexis Delgado (bitlord@delphi.com) wrote: | | Hello fellow wavers! | | Did a backup of my systen so that I could rework the partitions. | then I reinstalled everything. | Ligtwave is looking in the old drawers for everything and (obviosuly) | can't find them, so I have to manually select the new directory | for each object,texture and surface in my scenes. | It wouldn't be such a pain except for the fact that some of | the scence that have anything over 10 objects in them. (one of my | scences has 200!) | Anybody know of a scene FIX utility? something like | the FIXSCRIPT utility that comes with SCALAM but for lightwave? | - | I guess I just have to make one ;) | - | How can I rework the directories without having to reload, reconfigure, | and resave all my scenes? I can't find anything in the maual about it. | | Would I have to reinstall lightwave itself, and configure it under the | installation? | -- | Thanks to all? | ^^^^^^^ !!!!!! | | | | BITLORD@delphi.com | but you guys can call me alex! :) You could just use a text editor (CED, even finalwriter) to do search and replace type of thing on your scene file. really easy to do. could also just open the file with arexx and do your own search and replace kind of thing. probably under 100 lines of code for a simple version. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brett Hardin | Remember: University of Alberta | A straight line may be the SHORTEST distance Engineering | between two points, but it is by NO means Edmonton, Alberta | the most interesting! Canada | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From palabart@aol.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:05 PST 1995 Article: 3215 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3215 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: palabart@aol.com (PalaBart) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Trouble on the FONT-ier Date: 6 Mar 1995 14:47:40 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 35 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jfoss$6mq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: palabart@aol.com (PalaBart) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com If you can't find a computer way to transfer the font there is a more indirect way to get the letters you need as LW objects. I would not want to do this for a whole alphabet, but it does work. Print the letters you need in 300+ point type. Preferably 1 letter per page. Point a video camera at each and capture it as a framestore. Make sure the camera is square to the paper, and you get excellent contrast. Use ADPro to convert to 2 color image. Clean up in DPaint or whatever you like. Eliminate flyer pixels and make sure the edges are clean. The LETTER should be white, the BACKGROUND black Use PixPro to convert each letter to a LW object. Make use of PixPros' smoothing function to eliminate the stairsteps. You'll probably have to do some point manipulation to clean things up in modeler before extruding and beveling, or whatever you want to do with the font. Using this method you can convert a letter in about 10-15 mins, depending on how complex the font is. Old English will obviously be a lot more work than gothic. As I said it works if all else fails, but it is a deal of work. The full process is described on my tape "Flying Logos, from print to video" Bart Palamaro Dark Horse Productions palabart@aol.com From donald@nasau.iquest.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:09 PST 1995 Article: 3216 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3216 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!news.msfc.nasa.gov!marshalltv.msfc.nasa.gov!not-for-mail From: Donald Cotnoir-Strong Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Import Video Clips to Flyer LW Date: 6 Mar 1995 20:39:45 GMT Organization: NASA/MSFC Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3jfruh$qq5@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> References: <3jch6d$sr@cs.uwp.edu> <3jd3mk$a1g@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: marshalltv.msfc.nasa.gov jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) wrote: > > : This feature's not in Flyer LW 3.9. When it arrives, I assume it will > : be as easy as selecting either "Load Image" or "Load Image Sequence" > : and pointing your file requester at a Flyer clip. > > How about "Load Flyer Clip"? Or that. (Razzum Frazzum Logical People...) Don From stranahan@aol.com Tue Mar 7 21:47:58 PST 1995 Article: 3217 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3217 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: 25 days? Date: 6 Mar 1995 14:26:35 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 11 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jfnlb$6g4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com If I were a betting man, I would bet against LW 4.0 being released as a commercial product by the end of March. All NewTek resources are currently directed towards getting Flyer 4.0 out, and then NAB is coming up and that's a massive time suck. It's possible mind you, but I wouldn't stake my life on 1st Quarter. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan Area 51 Visual Effects "Too late to stop now.." From stranahan@aol.com Tue Mar 7 21:47:51 PST 1995 Article: 3218 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3218 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!decwrl!hookup!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 6 Mar 1995 15:08:17 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 22 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jfq3h$6ud@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com ----------------- If it is true that MS is selling the Extreme version of Soft for $1000. . It would appear that to not attract the educational market somehow is to miss the boat in terms of becoming the program most students who enter the workplace will have experience using. Of course, I need a "press release" to verify such an offer by MS. ============ The $1000 price is to the SCHOOLS THEMSELVES - not the students. This is my understanding, anyway - and that's for the SGI version. Know many students with an SGI in their dorm room? _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan Area 51 Visual Effects "Too late to stop now.." From jgross@netcom.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:11 PST 1995 Article: 3219 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3219 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!jgross From: jgross@netcom.com (John Gross) Subject: Re: LW Amiga/PC compatability Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <66233-794475855@mindlink.bc.ca> <3jfo9o$6in@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:32:27 GMT Lines: 17 Sender: jgross@netcom20.netcom.com : Our set-up is 5 Alphas, a P90, a P100, plus a P90 server (all running NT) : and no Amigas. Is this a factor? I don't know...but everything is working : fine. Could you make it crash? Maybe...but please don't. It works. I think it is definitely a factor. Now that we are slowly getting away from Amigas, we are finding MUCH less network problems. We always had net problems with Screamernet over the network, now that we are running standalone on Alphas, we aren't having ANY problems. Our 13 Alphas all networked on an NT server arerendering day and night with no complaints. I think that the majority of our network problems came from trying to accomadate machines that were never really designed to be networked together... JGross Amblin Imaging "There's something in your nose" From yarrick@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:00 PST 1995 Article: 3220 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3220 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!yarrick From: yarrick@primenet.com (Eric Soulvie) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: PAR or VLAB Date: 7 Mar 1995 00:37:22 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3jg9s2$b7k@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr3.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] With all of the response that I have gotten on the Sony decks, I have decided to go with digital recording. I am looking at either the PAR or VLAB card. Can anyone give me any information or recommedations on either of these cards? -Yarrick From Smith@millcomm.com Tue Mar 7 21:47:42 PST 1995 Article: 3221 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3221 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!mr.net!usenet From: Henning@MR.NET (Mark Henning) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Date: 7 Mar 1995 00:34:18 GMT Organization: Alpha Video Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3jg9ma$pct@cedar.mr.net> References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> <8aQMlWc2WO51079yn@oslonett.no> Reply-To: Smith@millcomm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: msp6-1.nas.mr.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ >I would say that the very low student prices Autodesk offers make me >suspicious, and a little bit angry too. I've no doubt about hat they >still get a profit when selling student versions. >So how can they possible sell the full version for $3000 ? (it's $4000 >in Norway!). They probably must have at least $2500 in profit for each >package ! > >I really do hope that trueSpace, Lightwave and other 3D packages will >grab a *very* large part of Autodesks 3D market share, and teach them to >keep their prices at a realistic level, and not to charge to the limit >of what the market will pay. I don't think 3DStudio will remain the >king for very long... > >- Bjorn They can do this by stipulating that you cannot use the package to make commercial animations. Therefore, these student versions are not infringing upon sales of their "commercial" version of the software, and technically, they have no loss of income. They further rationalize that by giving the software away so cheap, they train people to use that software, and when they leave school, they will buy the commercial version. So, it's a bonus for them in several ways: More packages sold (looks good to everybody), an installed base that will buy the software, because they already know it, and a great reputation as a patron of education. From btripp@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Tue Mar 7 21:49:11 PST 1995 Article: 3222 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3222 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!btripp From: "Bob A. Tripp" Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: amiga 3000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:23:05 -0600 Organization: The University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <199503021659.JAA24183@xmission.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199503021659.JAA24183@xmission.xmission.com> On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, David Ingebretsen wrote: > In article you wrote: > > : 2) The discontinued Amiga tech journal - all editions > : printed - a developers dream come true - code in C > : and Assembly (all the disks too). > > Would you sell these separately? What price are you trying to get for them? > > -- > David > > David M. Ingebretsen *** Binary Illusions / 3D Physics *** > dingebre@xmission.xmission.com *** Animation and more *** > David, Yes I would, as far as prices go, that is open. For the AmigA - $350.00 For the monitor - $350.00 Technical material - $100.00 Bob Bob Tripp btripp@utsa.edu Bob From ashafer@uop.cs.uop.edu Tue Mar 7 21:49:15 PST 1995 Article: 3223 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3223 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!uop!uop.cs.uop.edu!ashafer From: ashafer@uop.cs.uop.edu (Drewl) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: comp.graphics.packadges.lightwave Date: 7 Mar 1995 00:49:11 GMT Organization: University of the Pacific Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3jgai7$5dn@unix1.cc.uop.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uop.cs.uop.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Could Some one Please POST some good LW ftpsites? most of the Aminet sites have only imagine objects thanks _ANT_ From chris@tyrell.net Tue Mar 7 21:48:56 PST 1995 Article: 3224 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com rec.video.desktop:4192 comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3224 Newsgroups: rec.video.desktop,comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.tyrell.net!news From: chris Subject: Re: Amiga-Amiga-Mac TCP-IP Network, Any Experiences? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ttysf.tyrell.net Message-ID: Sender: news@tyrell.net (*) Organization: Tyrell Corporation - 800-TYRELL-1 - POP's in 504/816/913/316 References: <3j4ug1$b91@linda.teleport.com> <3j7862$laf@beta.inc.net> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 17:18:48 GMT Lines: 21 syndesis@beta.inc.net (John Foust) wrote: > > If you throw a PC and WinNT in the mix, there is a freeware NFS server for WinNT. > WinNT Server (more expensive than straight WinNT) includes AppleShare > abilities which would mount the Mac drives on the PC, and I think > vice-versa. If someone ever ports Samba server to the Amiga, you could > export the Amiga drives as PC drives, and share then with the Mac, too. Windows NT Server will not mount Mac HFS partitions. The capability of the server is through support of the Appletalk protocol and emulation of Appleshare, Macintosh clients can access Windows NT partitions, both FAT and NTFS. The easiest, and most unelegant, way to hook up all these systems is with FTP. Regards, Chris Silva Flight Technologies, Inc. (816) 525-UFLY(8359) "Unparalleled Windows NT Workstations" From wturber@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:01 PST 1995 Article: 3225 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3225 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip131.phx.primenet.com!wturber From: wturber@primenet.com (Walter J. Turberville (III)) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PAR or VLAB Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 19:10:21 LOCAL Organization: Primenet Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3jg9s2$b7k@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip131.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3jg9s2$b7k@news.primenet.com> yarrick@primenet.com (Eric Soulvie) writes: >From: yarrick@primenet.com (Eric Soulvie) >Subject: PAR or VLAB >Date: 7 Mar 1995 00:37:22 GMT >With all of the response that I have gotten on the Sony decks, I have >decided to go with digital recording. I am looking at either the PAR or >VLAB card. Can anyone give me any information or recommedations on >either of these cards? > -Yarrick I used to LOVE the PAR until software ver. 2.26 started eating anims - sorta like the PAR magazine add. Actually it was more like the movie "The Never Ending Story" where the "nothing" kept consuming everything. We had an empty spot in the middle of the disk. PAR would corrupt an anim. We would delete it. The PAR wouldn't let us add anims to the empty spot. The hole got bigger and bigger. We didn't have to name the princess or anything like that, we just got ver 2.34 which appears stable, but now I'm gun-shy. Actually ver 1.4 was the best for stability. Problem is that there are some nice features in the new stuff. Of course if you do the smart thing and render directly to a SCSI disk and then dump to the PAR this isn't even a real issue. So, right now I like the PAR a lot (despite its recent tantrum) and know nothing about the VLAB card. _________________________________________________________________ Walter (Jay) Turberville |wturber@primenet.com wturber@aol.com Phoenix, AZ |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber ...........................|ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber From stranahan@aol.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:20 PST 1995 Article: 3226 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3226 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: System for sale Date: 6 Mar 1995 21:43:58 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 18 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jgh9e$d1p@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com A friend of mine is selling a LightWave system Amiga 2000, with 040 and 18 Megs RAM, 600 megs total hard drive space Video Toaster & PAR with 1.6 gig Micropolis drive plus TBC IV for grabbing video, etc Sunrize AD1012 with Studio 16 software Retina V2, Filcker free video, 2 Megs chip, 1950 Multisync monitor, software, Ethernet... This is a LOADED system - $4700, obo....it's an animation studio in a box... _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan Area 51 Visual Effects "Too late to stop now.." From thx1138871@aol.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:21 PST 1995 Article: 3227 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3227 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: thx1138871@aol.com (THX1138871) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Flyer release date. Date: 6 Mar 1995 21:45:31 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jghcb$d3b@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: thx1138871@aol.com (THX1138871) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Take this with a grain of salt if you wish, but my dealer told me today (3-6-95), that flyer 4.0 is finished and they are waiting for the manuals to be completed. They may ship as early as this friday. His accuracy about such matters has been pretty good in the past, I hope he's right about this one too. From dma@mcs.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:23 PST 1995 Article: 3228 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3228 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!usenet From: Dan Ablan Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Power Macros WARNING! Date: 7 Mar 1995 04:18:44 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3jgmr4$rfk@News1.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dma.pr.mcs.net I posted a message over the weekend, about a scene mover problem I had with Power Macros. My apologies to Cinegraphics for any bad press. Although my scene was screwed up, (this is not the first time) I still believe that Power Macros are one of the best products on the market for LightWave. -Dan From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:32 PST 1995 Article: 3229 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3229 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Animation and the FLYER!!! Date: 7 Mar 1995 04:28:08 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3jgnco$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of bmgia@rcinet.com the following words were written: *In , joeperez@news.dorsai.org (Joe Perez) writes: *>Yes it is indee the save Med-res preview. The catch is it doesn't save it *>as a HAM-8, but as a "real" anim for the Flyer. The Med-res button in the *>Flyer was used for this purpose, because with the Flyer, and its ability *>to record anims, why would you any longer need to do a preview in HAM-8. *> *>The buttons have to be renamed by the programmers, if they ever get *>around to doing it. Got this info straight from NewTek. Later on. *> *>Joe Perez * I guess I am just spoilled by the PAR so far. I am aware how the *Med-Rez anim is recording. That still does not help the animations from *flickering. * Maybe I should just go on to regular animations. I am just still stuck *on the fact that the main purpose I had bought this thing isn't existent yet. *Capturing live video, breaking it down, applying animation/morphing/SFX, then *relaying it back to the flyer for play back. * I will admit that with some basic animation stuff, it looks astonishingly *beautiful!. Still that defeats what I invested in it for. * Bradley. Whichever of these board allow you to have on your Hard drive a series of 24bit true color frame that you can work on, morph, animate FX or whatever and then somehow compile this series into an animation for that playback card will be the winner.... Although the motion JPEG boards are nowhere near quality of flyer or PAR you can at least work on a number of totally separate frames and animate and do whatever you want and then through it on the card.... They say by next release of VLAB motion there may be serious competition... I like the premise of VLAB better than PAR or flyer but they say quality of picture is not up yet.... -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:25 PST 1995 Article: 3230 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3230 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Animation and the FLYER!!! Date: 7 Mar 1995 04:30:48 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3jgnho$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3ivc7c$imr@unix.globalone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of davewarner@globalone.vircom.com the following words were written: *Joe Perez (joeperez@news.dorsai.org) wrote: *: I know how you feel. With it conflicting with my PAR card, I had to yank *: the PAR out, and not being able to use T-PAINT to import a single frame *: from recorded video (T-Paint doesn't work yet on the A2000), I'm pretty *: pissed at what I have to give up to have a flyer in my Amiga also. *I don't understand how you can have this attitude...NewTek has been saying *outright for months that the Flyer would NOT work correctly in an Amiga 2000 *until the official production release starts shipping. Did you think they *were just saying this for the hell of it? I'm rather surprised that you've *gotten the Flyer to work in your machine at all! *As far as I'm concerned, you have no-one to blame but yourself for any *problems you're experiencing. *-- * -David Warner of Event Horizon Graphics * Correct Internet Address:davidwarner@globalone.net * still, sounds like flyer is nowhere near ready for real world yet... -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:35 PST 1995 Article: 3231 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3231 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: TIO won't import DXF Date: 7 Mar 1995 04:34:43 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3jgnp3$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3ijb6u$dsu@news.missouri.edu> <3irdnc$jlm@beta.inc.net> <3isn4o$e2@beta.inc.net> <3j0dfu$f5i@news.missouri.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of instrument@reactor.murr.missouri.edu the following words were written: *>>Don't forget that DXF ...fundamentally 2D. It's a 3D exchange ... *>... DXF is someone who thinks that a 2D, wireframe, *>blueprint-like DXF file is a "3D" model. Usually, it starts *>with the client who is convinced that the data is true polygonal *>3D. ... they blame the translator. *Why is it that I can export a DXF file from CadKey and import it as a 3-D *object into AutoCad with very little problem? Some of the entities get *lost in the translation, but 90%+ is intact as 3-D!! Some of the entities *also make it thru the translation into Lightwave. I've notice that Autocadd seem to be able to load in any kind of DXF from anywhere any program.... I've done sculpt, imagine, alias, you name it an d they all go in.... -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:33 PST 1995 Article: 3232 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3232 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: TIO won't import DXF Date: 7 Mar 1995 04:38:30 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3jgo06$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3ijb6u$dsu@news.missouri.edu> <3irdnc$jlm@beta.inc.net> <3isn4o$e2@beta.inc.net> <3j <3j4ipa$c6p@beta.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of syndesis@beta.inc.net the following words were written: *In article , Ernie Wright says: *> DXFs *>contain drawings, not objects, and unless the draftsman is aware of the *>distinction, it's easy for him to create a DXF that's just a tangle of *>unrelated 3D lines from LightWave's point of view. *Happens all the time! Drafts(wo/man/person) makes a jumble of *AutoCAD 3D line entities, thinks they're "polygons", gives *it to animator, who loads it into LW, finds a bunch of lines, *and expected it to magically turn to polygons. "Which polygons," *I ask. There's an indefinite number of ways to connect them. *Remind me to make a "ten most commonly encountered problems *with DXF" to add to the next LW manual. Guys lets not bash the concept completely.... taking object created in a TRUE 3D program and port to LW via the TIO and use DXF always seem to work fine for me.... BTW: should I be using LW or Imagine for real complex rendering of big models etc.? -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:41 PST 1995 Article: 3233 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3233 comp.graphics.animation:16906 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation Subject: Re: Lightwave Babylon 5 objects Date: 7 Mar 1995 04:44:21 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3jgob5$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3i2vik$b8m@deneb.cs.purdue.edu> <3ioaic$2kk@gateway.ecn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of jcaesar@gateway.ecn.com the following words were written: *Bill Bouma (bouma@cs.purdue.edu) wrote: *: I obtained these files which contain input files for Lightwave: *: b5delta.lha b5statn2.lha vorlon2.lzh vorship2.lzh *: I would like to get at the ship models here. There are two problems. *: 1. I cannot extract the files from the lha or lzh packing on a UNIX *: system. There is a program xlharc that is supposed to do the unpacking, *: but it doesn't work on these files. I have used xlharc to unpack lzh *: files in the past, but these are somehow different? Maybe someone can *: supply me these files in tar.zip or tar.Z or just plain tar format? *: 2. I don't know the format of the data files containing the ships. Is *: there a online writeup describing the LW input format? (I might not *: be asking if I had been able to extract the files and take a look *: at them.) *: -- *: Bill -- The worm gets the late bird. *These are lha archives, and as far as I know, you should be able to *decompress them. On an Amiga it's easy with a program like Lha. As for *the object format, I believe they are in Imagine TDDD format. To get them *into Lightwave you will need a program such as Pixel-3d 2.0 or higher. *(Earlier versions will only load a single part in a group, or a single *group, not the entire object). If those are the files I think they are they not worth the trouble... anyway how is that new Pixel 3D 2.0....? been looking for it for some time now... hard to find any write up about it... -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:38 PST 1995 Article: 3234 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3234 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Book Object Needed (Please???) Date: 7 Mar 1995 04:40:53 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3jgo4l$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3ijaad$7l3@pith.uoregon.edu> <3ijrdp$8tf@News1.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of dma@mcs.com the following words were written: *andrewn@gladstone.uoregon.edu (Andrew Jay Kirkpatrick) wrote: *> *> I would immensely and forever be in debt to anyone who could send *> me a LW object of a book in whatever stage of construction. I plan *> to use the 3D object in an educational video animation. *> I could spend hours and hours trying to create the object myself; *> however I feel begging might be faster than my modeling abilities. *> I hope to add bones to the object, allowing the book to be opened and *> closed, and to add a personalized cover texture with book title, etc. Too bad... I just got thru work on education video game and I did a lot of thing with books in LW for that game... It was overall bad experience though...... don't know if I kept any of it... -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:45 PST 1995 Article: 3235 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3235 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Why 32bit OS for LW4 on PC Date: 7 Mar 1995 04:49:48 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3jgolc$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3ijtrm$27v@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of videoman@netcom.com the following words were written: *williger@cs.tu-berlin.de (Sven Williger) writes: *>It`s a P90-Platoboard with 16 Megs of RAM and a MiroCRYSTAL 20SV graphicboard *What chip is that graphics card based on? what are it's specs I have *never heard of it :) *>Oh yes i think i will regret selling my A4000 a hundred times... :( *Yup, I agree you will :) (I'm keeping all 3 of my Amiga's... and adding *the PC) *-- *-== When Dreams Become Reality ==- -= IM Design=- * videoman@netcom.com Video Production * videoman@cyberspace.org 3D Graphics & DTP Good Idea... I'm keeping my amigas and get the '060 Draco when it come out... -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:43 PST 1995 Article: 3236 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3236 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Why 32bit OS for LW4 on PC Date: 7 Mar 1995 04:53:28 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 39 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3jgos8$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3ijtrm$27v@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <3ipco5$4eh@news.xmission.com> <3j1q0g$gpd@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of leimberger@marbls.enet.dec.com the following words were written: *|>Sven Williger (williger@cs.tu-berlin.de) wrote: *|> *|>: *|>: Oh yes i think i will regret selling my A4000 a hundred times... :( * David Ingebretsen replied *|> *|>probably many more times than "a hundred"... *|> * I thought about selling mine. It has had the motherboard replaced through * SGM so it has the socketed buster chip. Aside from that adventure * it has served me flawlessly. The Amiga is dead ! CBM is dead ! developers * are dying ! So why do I keep it ? I'm alive ! * Worse yet I have an 40mhz 030 2000 that will run all my Amiga software. * Even though it will run it a little slower I'd still have the ability. * AND I STILL CAN'T BRING MYSELF TO SELL OR TRADE MY 4000. What are others * that sold their 4000's feelings on this ? * Amiga's not dead yet.... as long as pros are doing pro work on the thing there can be hopes.... I'll give another year before I make my decision... my problem is after AmigaDos I will never go to a Windows machine or system 7.anyting machine or even OS/2 machine..... If amiga dies..... im screwed... I guess then I'll just keep my 4000 till I get every drop out of it and then quit computers altogether..... -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:47 PST 1995 Article: 3237 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3237 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Quick seaQuestion... Date: 7 Mar 1995 04:56:42 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 47 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3jgp2a$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3ieqnv$iu0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3j0n7s$ed1@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of GregTee@ix.netcom.com the following words were written: *In <3ieqnv$iu0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> moonsun@aol.com (MoonSun) writes: *> *>>>No, the ship was just its normal self. The cocoon around the ship had *a *>glow on it (LW 4.0 feature), and the ship had a light casting a shadow *of *>it onto the sea floor. *> *>JGross *>Amblin Imaging *> either way the effect sucked I thought... LW can do better and I've seen it from regular guys sitting around local studio here... I would though the pros would more dazzle something... but then, of course there always deadlines huh? *>Hooray! Glows in 4.0! Ok, how about turning fog off on selected *objects? *>By the way, what is meant by "basic" Inverse Kinematics as it is *mentioned *>in several articles? That "basic" doesn't sound too promising (of *course *>I'll take "basic" over "none"). *> *>Johnny AD *>DNA Productions *> *---> how about turning fog off on selected objects?<--- *Already done. *GT -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From ad636@torfree.net Tue Mar 7 21:47:44 PST 1995 Article: 3238 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3238 Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!fonorola!infoshare!whome!gts!westonia!reptiles.org!torfree!ad636 From: ad636@torfree.net (Stephen Bowie) Subject: Re: Student version of Lightwave Message-ID: Organization: Toronto FreeNet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <1ef.1923.2172@theorem.com> <3j00se$arn@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 12:35:34 GMT Lines: 45 Ernie Wright (ernie@gaspra.pd.com) wrote: : Brian Hoffman wrote: : > I think this argument ignores basic human nature. A student/faculty : > member looks at his choices and says: "I can get this $3000 program : > for $700 (3DS, educational price), or I can get this $1000 program : > for $650 (Lightwave, possible street price)." : > : > Which one appears to be the bargain? : Y'know, it wouldn't surprise me a bit that someone purchasing a 3D : program for an educational institution would base his decisions on : a "bigger savings" argument like this, while utterly ignoring the : relative merits of the programs irrespective of price. If NewTek : wanted to play this game, the logical response would be a 200% : increase in the MSRP of LW. It would NOT be a further discount on : an already relatively low price. : - Ernie While not commenting particularly on the wisdom of one pricing policy over another, I wanted to mention that this discussiuon reminded me of an incident I encountered last year. I was pleased to learn from an AV technician at a high school here that they had purchased five Toaster 4000's, especially since this school board has a policy of only buying Mac's if at all possible. A month later, while at the same school, I asked how they were making out with them. The technician told me that the teacher responsible for the purchase had returned them, and bought an SGI and $50K worth of software instead. This kind of thinking appalls me...how many of those students would talk "Daddy" into getting an Indy and a few programs for him (or her, to be politically correct...wait a minute....I don't need to be with this group- strike that) to play with at home? None, I'd say! On the other hand, quite a few might have taken a serious interest in the field if they could hone their skills and 'push the envelope' at home, not to mention the disadvantage of having only one machine for the class, in place of five. -- .............................................................. * Steve Bowie |"Commodore is dead - * * ad636@torfree.net | long live the Amiga!!!" * * North York, Ontario, Canada | SPECTRAN * From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:50 PST 1995 Article: 3239 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3239 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Voyager No-Prize Date: 7 Mar 1995 05:01:06 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3jgpai$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3icsat$fpr@theopolis.orl.mmc.com> <3id7d1$6hp@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3j3q0r$rpg@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of steph@primenet.com the following words were written: *Stranahan (stranahan@aol.com) wrote: *: ================== *: Seems like SGI ought to be able to hang on and avoid being wiped out by *: NewTek. Seems like anyone could. *: Have you seen Alias PowerAnimator v6? The particle system?? LW *: has a ways to go... Alias is already refining these things. How much is alias cost these days? -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From zeltzer@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:49 PST 1995 Article: 3240 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3240 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip163.tus.primenet.com!zeltzer From: zeltzer@primenet.com (Lee Zeltzer) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Amiga Lightwave system for sale Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 21:59:36 MST Organization: Primenet Lines: 39 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip163.tus.primenet.com Keywords: Amiga, Lightwave, Sale, Toaster X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] We recently completed a multimedia project and are selling the computer system we used to develop the titles, graphics, and animations. It is an Amiga 4000 Video Toaster system. The computer was purchased through a reseller and is in excellent condition and the software is in their respective boxes with all original contents. AMIGA 4000 040 Computer platform Video Toaster 4000 Card Video graphic hardware V-LAB YUV Capture Card Image capture SCSI Card Connection for CD-ROM’s Hard drives etc. Two 100 MB IDE Drives Storage space 16 MB RAM Memory for rendering Commodore 1084 Monitor Display device Mouse Input device Keyboard Input device Bones Video Instructional video Logos Video Instructional video Displacement Maps Video Instructional video Mastering Toaster Technology Instructional book AD Pro 2.5 Image conversion/manipulation program ADP Tools 2.5 Image animation control program Power Macros Modeler macro selection Sparks 2.1 Particle animation system software Humanoid Humanoid animation and model software Imagemaster R/T Image conversion/manipulation program Brilliance Paint program Dynamic Motion Module Physics simulation software Pegger Image compression/decompression software Crouton Tools 4000 Connectivity software T-REXX Professional AREXX scripting program Morph Plus Morph and warp software We are asking for $6500 The computer, hardware, and software are all in excellent condition and fully configured and installed. The hard drives are loaded with objects, scenes, images, and textures. If interested please contact us as soon as possible at zeltzer@primenet.com or (602) 791-3323 ext. 21 From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:39 PST 1995 Article: 3241 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3241 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: To those who are leaving the Amiga! Date: 7 Mar 1995 05:06:36 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3jgpks$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of mcpeepers@aol.com the following words were written: *Hi folks. *I was writing a friend in Singapore an e-mail about my Amiga system when I *hit on a few points that I just had to share with the rest of those who *are leaving the Amiga behind. It's a helpful reminder to you animators who *put the high priced budget before the storytelling: *begin; *I'm using an Amiga 2000 3.1 w/68040/030 mhz 16mb, Spectrum 24-bit board *and 2mb chip ram......so I built this system up from a stock 2.04 2000 at *$650 last year April......Since everyone is bailing out on the Amiga, I *can get a lot of used equipment for cheap. Everyone is running off to the *PC. I still think, no matter what, the Amiga (was??) is the best system *for animation since celluloid. The bailing out is an advantage to me. It *can still do excellent animation....I wonder why everyone is jumping ship? *That's the problem with people these days. Always afraid of not being able *to take part of what's new or standard instead of getting the job done. *The Amiga, even when the whole world has turned PC, will ALWAYS get the *job done. Especially if one has the imagination behind it. I don't need a *faster PC (NT, Pentium, whatever those things are. I hate PC's *personally.) regardless of the 66 mhz. The bottom line is whose animation *will look better. That's when I come in with my Amiga. ;) Quality *animation is not in the machine, but the man/woman behind the machine. At *the price, the Amiga, now more than ever, is the only way to go. *end; *Any comments? I Agree, except now for less than you paid I can get A3000 because people still jumping ship.... I here all the talk about pentium but I haven't seen the TV show or movie with pentium driven SFX animation.... oh well... I'll have a 4000 (or Draco '060 when it come out) until the true end of amiga... which it when it can no longer make a living... -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:03 PST 1995 Article: 3242 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3242 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: PAR or VLAB Date: 7 Mar 1995 05:24:52 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3jgqn4$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3jg9s2$b7k@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of yarrick@primenet.com the following words were written: *With all of the response that I have gotten on the Sony decks, I have *decided to go with digital recording. I am looking at either the PAR or *VLAB card. Can anyone give me any information or recommedations on *either of these cards? * -Yarrick I only know this... with VLAB card you have ability to pick any frame from production and mess with it ANYTIME ANYWHERE on the drive... each frame is accessable even if it is part of 10 different scripts for some two hour movie.... next time you run the script the frame will be right where it was supposed be with your new changes on it.... other card use comression routines over a sequence... make it difficult for some cool efffects... -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:28 PST 1995 Article: 3243 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3243 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: To those who are leaving the Amiga! Date: 7 Mar 1995 05:13:54 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 59 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3jgq2i$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3jb884$evl@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In the name of FWTep@ix.netcom.com the following words were written: *In <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> mcpeepers@aol.com (MCPEEPERS) writes: *> *>Hi folks. *>I wonder why everyone is jumping ship? *Quality doesn't matter if the job doesn't get done. People aren't *neccessarily jumping ship because they don't like the Amiga or it doesn't *have the quality, its more a matter of being able to meet deadlines. NO *ONE can agree on what the best machine is-- "I hate the Amiga" "I hate *PCs" "I hate Macs"--that's all we ever hear. What people DO agree on *(generally) is that they like Lightwave. For this reason, they like *working on a machine that makes it shine, which the PC now does. * Also, remember, it's not just rendering that the PC does faster; *it's screen redraw too. This comes in MIGHTY handy when you are doing a *wireframe preview, and as we all know, the more previews you do, the more *chance you have of refining your animation and doing better QUALITY work. * People here have commented that they like the badlands and galactic *wave shots that we (Amblin Imaging) did for Star Trek:Voyager. Well, those *shots, if rendered on one Amiga (accelerated) would have taken just over 2 *years to render. Obviously if we had to use Amigas for it we would have *had it run on more than one, but why not just spend less money on 1 DEC *Alpha? It's MUCH easier to take care of one single machine than a farm of *16-20 Amigas (the Alpha's rough equivalent). Here's another example of how *the PC can help: Grant Boucher just finished a shot with a little over 1 *million polygons! Now think of your Amiga...I'll wait...how long do you *think it would take it to do a wireframe preview of that? *So you see, it really does help to keep up with technology. * Take care, * -=Fred=- * Amblin Imaging Somehow, I think he was talk about regular people, Fred.... for most of us one or two amigas still impress the hell out of local TV and cable and some even higher... I met big deadlines with LW ona 1200 (of course it was video game and not Voyager) but see my point? If you're getting rid of AMiga's cheap thoguh I want one... What the heck is DEC alpha, anyway, recently I see these in every magazine... Is it just render engine hook to network or ssome stand alone windows machine... or unix machine? (I assume on othese three since you use LW on it) How much does it cost...? (more than 16 amigas?) and how does it work... forgive my ignorance but I travel alot and miss alot of magazine... -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From anime@primenet.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:37 PST 1995 Article: 3244 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3244 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!anime From: anime@primenet.com (Jaho Shikaze) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: To those who are leaving the Amiga! Date: 7 Mar 1995 05:19:43 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3jgqdf$mc1@news.primenet.com> References: <3jep35$2kk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I'm sure I read about '060 for amiga somewher..... maybe it's just me... -- -----------The Power of Jaho------------ I don't give a damn about my children & my grandchildren All I cares about me! And if gangster run this country, then I'm going to be a gangster! From stranahan@aol.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:30 PST 1995 Article: 3245 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3245 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: WAS: My Amiga Left Me! NOW: Productivity? Date: 6 Mar 1995 18:42:35 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 21 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jg6lb$9p9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com ------------- ]We've found exactly the opposite to be the case. In our business, CPU speed impacts animation productivity much more through reduced rendering time than it does through faster scene setup. I'd be interested to hear how other production houses have found that CPU affects productivity. ======== Sorry - shoulda been clearer - I said FINAL render is not the big deal, and meant that - the finals happen at night when I'm asleep...but one big big benefit of speed is that you can do previews as full renderings. For instance, we often do no anti-aliasing render tests, and they take about the same amount of time that a wireframe preview would take on the Amiga. (Wireframe previews are a BIG time suck...) _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan Area 51 Visual Effects "Too late to stop now.." From stranahan@aol.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:22 PST 1995 Article: 3246 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3246 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Flyer release date. Date: 7 Mar 1995 00:35:56 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jgrbs$g4q@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3jghcb$d3b@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: stranahan@aol.com (Stranahan) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I believe that NewTek may ship the Flyer this week...from everything I am hearing, if they do ship this week it might not be done. I hope this is not the case, as I've said (especially when I was working at NewTek) that 4.0 should be REALLY done when it ships - which to me means a week or two or serious beta testing in house with the 'finished' software. I guess we'll see what they ship. _____________________________________________ Lee Stranahan Area 51 Visual Effects "Too late to stop now.." From FWTep@ix.netcom.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:25 PST 1995 Article: 3247 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3247 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: FWTep@ix.netcom.com (Fred Tepper) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: To those who are leaving the Amiga! Date: 7 Mar 1995 06:16:47 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 57 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3jgtof$s1g@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <3j9nvd$gd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3jb884$evl@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <3jbngb$ija@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-pas6-28.ix.netcom.com >: >Hi folks. >: >I wonder why everyone is jumping ship? >-- >David > >David M. Ingebretsen *** Binary Illusions / 3D Physics *** >dingebre@xmission.xmission.com *** Animation and more *** > David, I decided not to include our previous posts in this because it would be too long. Anyway... I agree with your reasoning regarding LW on other platforms. However, I still think that getting a PC system for LW is an amazing bargain. I don't know what systems you were pricing, but we have loaded 100mhz systems that cost around $4500. That is far less than a comparable Amiga based system would cost--actually, its about 1/4 since it is about 4 times faster. Not only do I get a great LW system, but I can actually buy software if I want. I can go to the mall, or anywhere--even the supermarket!--and buy software. With the Amiga I was VERY limited to what I could do outside of LW. I now have a 3D work machine that the family can use when I'm not (CD-Roms, word processing, etc.) For flying logos you are right, an Amiga will probably do. But what if you are doing effects etc? The PC has TONS of great software available to help (Photoshop, Fractal Painter, WinImages/FX, etc.) and there will continue to be more and more. With the Amiga, you are pretty much stuck with what is already out there. If this is all you need, then you are set. If not, then you are screwed on the Amiga. I agree that the key thing with FX in general is to keep it simple and only make it look complex. The problem is that the people who sign the paychecks always want more and more. There comes a point where it is bad to spend too much time reducing polygons or whatever. If you only have a certain amount of time, you need to get the shot done and you can't sit there optimizing models forever. Most people will never have to worry about this of course but it's still an issue. You also say that not everyone has Amblin's vast sums of money. True, but this is not an issue because no one is saying that everyone should go out and buy an Alpha farm. It is actually more cost effective to have a PC. You have either an accelerated 2000 or a 4000, right? If you accelerated your 2000 then I think that's the same thing as the people who today are buying PCs to run LW. Same thing with a 4000. I know that buying a PC is more expensive that buying an 040 card, but then again you get more out of it (at least I do). Why is it OK to "migrate" to a faster Amiga but not OK to "migrate" to a PC if your reasons for doing so are the same? Finally, you said that most people don't really need that kind of speed because they might just be doing it for fun. Well, I would assume then that those people have a real day job, right? And therefore, they don't really want to waste their precious after hours waiting to see that the frame they are rendering looks terrible and they'll have to wait till tomorrow to see another frame. If I am playing around at home, I want a fast machine so I can make the most of my time. Well, that's all for now, take care! -=Fred=- From FWTep@ix.netcom.com Tue Mar 7 21:48:50 PST 1995 Article: 3248 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3248 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: FWTep@ix.netcom.com (Fred Tepper) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Re: Man Vs. Machine Date: 7 Mar 1995 06:22:54 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 34 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3jgu3u$s7n@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <3jfakr$1ch@News1.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-pas6-28.ix.netcom.com In <3jfakr$1ch@News1.mcs.com> Dan Ablan writes: > >I've been reading through a lot of messages lately. >Just about all are "when can I get LW 4.0?" and >"my Amiga is better that your PC!" and >"you Amiga is dead!" and things like that. > >I think everyone is forgetting that it's only >plastic, and capacitors, and circuts... just parts. > >I want the best machine, for the best price, to do >the best job... just like many of you do, I'm sure. > >No one wants their machine to break down, and not >have any parts available to fix it. And, by the >same token, who wants to spend $2500 on a computer >that is not even manufactured anymore, when anywhere >you turn, is a faster, stronger, and less expensive >machine? What's the problem? The best machine, >to do the best job, for the best price.. who cares >what type of machine it is. What will get the job >done? > >So why not just take it easy, let things happen as >they will, and get excited about the possibilties >of what one can do with LightWave 4.0 when it's >available? > >-Dan > I like the PC better! -=Fred=- From AVID@cup.portal.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:51 PST 1995 Article: 3249 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3249 Path: netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!svc.portal.com!portal.com!cup.portal.com!AVID From: AVID@cup.portal.com (Jim C Plant) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: NewTek Events @ NAB Date: 6 Mar 1995 22:20:15 -0800 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 4 Sender: pccop@unix.portal.com Distribution: world Message-ID: <134348@cup.portal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.unix.portal.com uz **B00000000000000 uz **B00000000000000 From surajg@morakot.nectec.or.th Tue Mar 7 21:49:13 PST 1995 Article: 3250 of comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Xref: netcom.com comp.graphics.packages.lightwave:3250 Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!senior.nectec.or.th!morakot!surajg From: surajg@morakot.nectec.or.th (Suraj Gulrajani) Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.lightwave Subject: Wanted: Freelance 3D animtors!! Date: 6 Mar 1995 23:44:00 GMT Organization: National Electronics and Computer Technology Center, Bangkok Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3jg6o0$1n0@senior.nectec.or.th> NNTP-Posting-Host: morakot.nectec.or.th X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Wanted: A few Freelance 3D Animators to work thru EMails!! All you need is an EMail account (you should have one if you are reading this) and access to any computer to model on (you should also have that if you are into 3D graphics at all.. :) ) If you are interested, mail me for more information and tell me a bit more about yourself, some of your work, etc.. Thanks! Suraj Gulrajani Bangkok Animation House